Dru wrote:

I don't see a problem with this "open" system.

I would daresay that a comparison is different because few peoples' careers or pay scales depends on their ability to operate an amateur radio. You don't have the active trade in cheating (by both candidates and proctors) which is a by-product of the "high stakes" nature of most IT certification exams.

Who makes and enforces the rules for the amateur service in the United States?
A.  The Congress of the United States
B.  The Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
C.  The Volunteer Examiner Coordinators (VECs)
D.  The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)

I know the answer is B, whether I read the book and remember it or I
read the question and see the answer is B.  Either way I learn the FCC
is in charge.

The questions are not reproduced exactly (i.e., Congress is always
answer A, FCC, is B, etc.), so test-takers still need to know the
right answer.

That's not the point. By knowing the questions, anyone involved in training for the exam need only teach to those questions, not to the underlying subject matter. For the Americans within this group, that's the major complaint of educators regarding the "No Child Left Behind" program -- that people are teaching to the questions, and exam scores are acceptable, but the students' real understanding hasn't improved at all.

The benefit of this system is that lousy questions are immediately
recognized by anyone inspecting the pool.  Contrast the FCC pool
questions with those in the lousy CISSP exam that never see the light
of day, and you'll know what I mean.


If you have proper feedback, any candidate can comment on the questions at the time they take the exam. This is an effective way to identify problems with the help of those with a stake in it (the test takers), and it doesn't matter if the whole pool is open or not.

Would we be able to sell this approach to the corporate/HR community or would they just think us BSD people are still on LSD?

The whole point of the exam is that people who know their stuff should pass and the people who don't know their stuff should fail. If it's too easy to have false positives (by allowing people to pass who are good at memorization but couldn't administer a system) then credibility fall sharply.

If you want to determine the respect for an easily compromised certification exam, have a look at the Brainbench series of unproctored web-based exams. How many job postings ask for it? How many HR people have _any_ respect for it?

Having studied the question pool, how does it work? Is there like 20,000 questions in the pool and you get asked 100 of them?


I think LPI's psychometrician said that the sweet spot for an item pool was at about 3,500 for a 75-question exam. If someone can actually memorize all those thousands of items, chances are they're actually pretty close to knowing the subject matter. But making many more items than that wouldn't really affect things much.

- Evan

PS: A little introduction... my name is Evan Leibovitch, and for the last few years I've been President of LPI. While I'm eager to see a BSD certification succeed, perhaps I can offer some experience-borne reality checks that may prevent mistakes and build upon the work of others. I've been exceptionally impressed by the work this group has done to date -- and am somewhat flattered at the positive references to LPI -- but it also appears that this group has become extremely proficient at one aspect of a cert program while _seeming_ to have bypassed the many others. Then again, I'm newly subscribed here and may surely have missed much. I hope to catch on quickly.


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