dear teman,
mohon dihentikan persoalan debat penganut kristen
khuatir masalah ini merebet ke yg lain
karena kebakaran besar dimulai dari api yg kecil
saya kutip berita hari ini dari wall street journal kejadian
di Malyasia
saya mengkhuatirkan nantinya yg susah saudara saudara kita sendiri
kalo sudah rame yg dilihat bukan lagi kristen, islam atau pencinta budaya
saya giris mengingat peristiwa Mei 1998
wassalam
By JAMES HOOKWAY and CELINE FERNANDEZ
KUALA LUMPUR – Malaysia's government is scrambling to calm tensions in this
multi-ethnic nation after attackers fire-bombed three churches early on Friday
morning, escalating a potentially explosive argument over whether Christians
can use the Arabic word Allah.
Nobody was hurt in the pre-dawn attacks, and only one of the churches suffered
serious damage. But government leaders warned that they might employ the
country's strict Internal Security Act, which allows for detention without
trial, to ease the situation.
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Kuala Lumpur police officers inspect the damage to the Metro Tabernacle Church
which was destroyed by a fire bomb a little after midnight in the Kuala Lumpur
suburb of Desa Melawati, Friday, Jan. 8, 2010.
More
* Malaysia Suspends 'Allah' Ruling
* Opinion: The Politics of 'Allah'
Prime Minister Najib Razak – who had previously been supportive of Muslim
protests against a Dec. 31 court ruling that allowed Roman Catholics to refer
to Allah in Malay-language sections of their weekly newspaper – called for calm
and warned that Malaysians should avoid blaming his government for inspiring
Friday's attacks.
"There should be no over-zealous action that can harm the harmony of the
country," Mr. Najib said.
Political analysts say Mr. Najib is attempting to tread a fine line between
wooing the support of Malaysia's large ethnic-Chinese and Indian minorities,
who make up around 40% of the country's population, and maintaining the support
of an ethnic-Malay majority that has become increasingly defined by its Islamic
faith in recent years.
Mr. Najib needs the support of Malaysia's minority groups to regain ground lost
to the opposition in 2008's national election, when the ruling National Front
lost its two-thirds majority in parliament for the first time in decades.
The High Court's decision on New Year's Eve to overturn a three-year-old
government ban on the Catholic Herald newspaper's use of the term Allah has
created a fresh fault-line between rule of law and a growing Islamist movement
in a country long considered to be a moderate Muslim nation. How Mr. Najib
handles the controversy could determine whether he is returned to power in
national elections that have to be held by 2013.
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A Muslim man shouts slogans during a protest against the use of the word
"Allah" by non-Muslims after Friday prayer at National Mosque in Kuala Lumpur,
Malaysia, Friday, Jan. 8, 2010.
The court verdict – which the
government has appealed – ruled that Malay-speaking Christians have a
constitutional right to refer to God as Allah. Malay language doesn't have an
exact translation for the concept of one single deity, and Malays and
indigenous tribes borrowed the term Allah from Arab traders in the 12th
century. Today, many Malay-speaking Christians from Sabah and Sarawak states on
the island of Borneo frequently use the term, as do Indonesian Christians and
Christians in Arabic-speaking countries in the Middle East.
Many Malaysian Muslims, however, say the term is exclusive to Islam, and on
Friday several hundred held a noisy, though brief protest at mosque in downtown
Kuala Lumpur, chanting "Allahu Akbar", or God is the greatest, as scores of
police looked on warily.
"For non-Muslims to use this word is an unnecessary provocation," said Faisal
Aziz, president of the National Union of Malaysian Muslim Students and one of
the protest organizers.
The worst of the damage from the pre-dawn church attacks was at the Protestant
Metro Tabernacle Church in a Kuala Lumpur suburb. Its first floor office was
destroyed in the arson attack. Molotov cocktails were also thrown into the
compounds of two other churches, including one belonging to the Catholic
Assumption Church. The parish priest there, the Rev. Philip Muthu, said the
church sometimes using the term Allah in some of its Malay-language services.
The Malaysian judiciary's main Web site, meanwhile, was attacked by hackers
shortly before the church attacks. A hacker calling him or herself "Brainwash"
replaced the site's main page with a message warning non-Muslims to avoid using
the term Allah, saying it is "restricted to Muslims only".
Write to James Hookway at james.hook...@wsj.com and Celine Fernandez at
celine.fernan...@wsj.com
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From: ikkyosensei_ym <ikkyosen...@gmail.com>
To: budaya_tionghua@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 11:16:20 AM
Subject: Bls: [budaya_tionghua] Re: ini tampang si tukang ngaku2 cicitnya guang
xu
Ha ha ha... di sana juga gak ada lawan debatnya.
Padahal saya paling seneng kalau ditemuin sama penganut kristen yg sok merasa
paling bener atau yg ngerasa dewanya paling markotop. Apalagi klo dia tionghoa
yg trus ikut2an anti budaya leluhurnya. Welcome to my jungle.
Salam,
Chen Gui Xin
--- In budaya_tionghua@ yahoogroups. com, "Kawaii_no_Shogetsu " <fenghuang82@
...> wrote:
>
> Lha lha ente berdua dah ketemuan di pesbuk ane pan? sahut-sahutan di potonya
> korea geblek yang pegang2in pala hwesio aja tuh. Tuch da ada grupnya, apa mau
> disugest ke anda Chen Looheng?
>
>
> --- In budaya_tionghua@ yahoogroups. com, shinmen takezo <hisashi.mitshui@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > gpp , ada forum tersendiri ........kalau anda mau bahas yah bahas di luar
> > milist ini
> >
> > karena ini bukan milist anti kristen .........kecuali jika anda bermaksud
> > menjadikannya demikian
> >
> > 2010/1/7 ikkyosensei_ ym <ikkyosensei@ >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > "atau sensei bisa kasih contoh debat pendeta anda itu ?"
> > > Bener neh mau di-post ke sini?? Ntar anda yg marah2 minta ditutup ha ha
> > > ha...
> > > Klo memang beneran minat, silahkan anda buka topik baru, kasih judul yg
> > > mengena misal "apakah teologi kristen sesat?", atau "bagian mana dari
> > > teologi kristen yang memusuhi budaya lokal?", atau "kenapa orang tidak
> > > bersedia menjadi kristen lagi?"... dan sejenisnya.
> > >
> > > Ntar saya akan giat jadi pengisi acaranya. :)))
> > >
> > >
> > > Salam,
> > >
> > > Chen Gui Xin
> > >
> > > --- In budaya_tionghua@ yahoogroups. com <budaya_tionghua% 40yahoogroups.
> > > com>,
> > > shinmen takezo <hisashi.mitshui@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > apa sih teologi teologi ?
> > > >
> > > > perdebatan agama sih sebenernya interest saya yg terakhir yah , soalnya
> > > gak
> > > > ada debat yg bermutu dari hasil perdebatan agama , adanya debat kusir
> > > > ........
> > > >
> > > > atau sensei bisa kasih contoh debat pendeta anda itu ?
> > > >
> > > > 2010/1/5 ikkyosensei_ ym <ikkyosensei@ >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ha ha ha... itu dah seperlunya bgt. Coba anda baca dulu debat saya dg
> > > > > pendeta2 di milist tetangga. Nah yg di sana itu baru nyinyir dan bikin
> > > mrk
> > > > > males kotbah lagi.
> > > > > Keterlibatan saya dg si cicit secara langsung? Tidak ada.
> > > > > Keterlibatan saya dalam membongkar penyelewengan dogma kristen yg
> > > memusuhi
> > > > > budaya lokal? Saya yakin anda pasti jarang komunikasi dg pendeta atau
> > > dolan
> > > > > ke sekolah teologi, jadi tidak pernah dengar nama saya.
> > > > >
> > > > > Btw, kok malah anda yg ngelantur yach...
> > > > >
> > > > > Salam,
> > > > >
> > > > > Chen Gui Xin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In budaya_tionghua@ yahoogroups. com<budaya_tionghua%
> > > > > 40yahoogroups. com><budaya_ tionghua%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > >
> > > > > shinmen takezo <hisashi.mitshui@ > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > kasih kritikan yang seperlunya dan jangan berlebihan , ntar lebih
> > > mirip
> > > > > > omelan nenek nyinyir
> > > > > >
> > > > > > apa sih keterlibatan anda dalam membongkar kedok si cicit itu ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > saya yang bersama salah satu moderator ini cari2 bahan buat
> > > > > > mbelejeti
> > > > > > kebohongan si cicit , gak ngomel sampai lebar kali panjang kali
> > > tinggi
> > > > > > .......
> > > > > >
> > > > > > by the way istri anda itu beragama apa yah?
> > > > > > mulai saja dari keluarga anda dulu ,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tapi ingat , orang beragama itu hak pribadi , mau mereka ngapain
> > > > > > juga
> > > > > > terserah , yg perlu anda perhatikan itu sejauh mana kebohongan2 yg
> > > > > terjadi
> > > > > > dalam bbrp kasus ......
> > > > > >
> > > > > > seluruh keluarga saya adalah protestan , saya sendiri katolik ,
> > > masaaa
> > > > > ntar
> > > > > > kehidupan dalam keluarga isinya cermah2an .....? saling menceramahi
> > > > > ,.......
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2010/1/4 ikkyosensei_ ym <ikkyosensei@ >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yach, memang kasihan para umat agama XXX tsb, karena mereka
> > > > > terindoktrinasi
> > > > > > > bahwa pendetanya itu wakil dewa Yahudi mereka.
> > > > > > > Jadi sampai kapanpun mereka "pasti" menelan apapun kata
> > > > > > > pendetanya,
> > > > > apalagi
> > > > > > > membantah kata-kata Dewa dari mulut pendetanya.
> > > > > > > Memang kita dari pihak luar agama tersebut harus "mengambil alih"
> > > peran
> > > > > > > pelurusan moralitas mereka. Makanya syukurlah skrg banyak rekan2
> > > dari
> > > > > muslim
> > > > > > > yang "mendidik" perilaku umat/pendeta agama tersebut.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Salam,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chen Gui Xin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In budaya_tionghua@ yahoogroups. com<budaya_tionghua%
> > > > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > <budaya_tionghua% 40yahoogroups. com><budaya_ tionghua%
> > >
> > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Khow Kim Hak <khowkimhak@ > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bapaknya itu Setan.pak, itu udah pasti, hahaha....any way emang
> > > orang
> > > > > ini
> > > > > > > emang sama percis dengan penipu2 berkedok agama yang mengadakan
> > > > > kesaksian
> > > > > > > mengada2.Dulu juga ada pendeta yang bernama philemon yang mengaku
> > > > > membaptis
> > > > > > > KH Zainudin MZ,sama persis, kesaksian palsu....Hahaha. .,Soja...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- Pada Sab, 2/1/10, ikkyosensei_ ym <ikkyosensei@ > menulis:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dari: ikkyosensei_ ym <ikkyosensei@ >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Judul: [budaya_tionghua] Re: ini tampang si tukang ngaku2
> > > cicitnya
> > > > > guang
> > > > > > > xu
> > > > > > > > Kepada: budaya_tionghua@ yahoogroups. com<budaya_tionghua%
> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > <budaya_tionghua% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > <budaya_tionghua% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tanggal: Sabtu, 2 Januari, 2010, 9:14 AM
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> > > > > > > > Yach... klo memang bwt anda gak penting anda turunan siapa..
> > > ngapain
> > > > > juga
> > > > > > > nongol di sini? Masih buka mulut lagi.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Komentar anda ini malu2in marga kami.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Btw, itu anda pakai2 nama Tan memang bapak anda xing Tan (Chen)?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In budaya_tionghua@ yahoogroups. com, Denny Tan <dennytan14@
> > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > koq sewot banget
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > padahal zaman sekarang sudah tidak penting
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > siapa turunan siapa
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > mau di bodohi atau tidak
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > sebaiknya tutup mulut jangan berkepanjangan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wassalam
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> > > > > > > > > From: ikkyosensei_ ym <ikkyosensei@ ...>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To: budaya_tionghua@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 1:09:16 PM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [budaya_tionghua] Re: ini tampang si tukang ngaku2
> > > > > cicitnya
> > > > > > > guang xu
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oalah... lha kok wajahnya ndak ada tampang2 Manchu.. lebih
> > > mirip
> > > > > > > blasteran kikik sama panda yach?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In budaya_tionghua@ yahoogroups. com, budi anto
> > > > > > > > > <budiceng@>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ini orang ngomong di sini
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://64.15. 120.236/watch? v=97ZyMduXpGI
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> > > > > > > > > > orang ga tau sejarah yang cuma mencari sensasi, menhalalkan
> > > > > segala
> > > > > > > cara mengagungkan ajaranya , he he he....
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://forum. kongtai.org/ viewtopic. php?f=19& t=6&p=59#
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