Re: [Bug-gnubg] Use of Two-Sided DB in matchesgwEAQCoAAAAAAA:cAmgACAAGAAA

    GNU Backgammon  Position ID: gwEAQCoAAAAAAA
                    Match ID   : cAmgACAAGAAA
    +24-23-22-21-20-19------18-17-16-15-14-13-+  O: gnubg
OOO | O              O |   |                  |  2 points
 OO | O              O |   |                  |  
 OO |                  |   |                  |  
 OO |                  |   |                  |  
 OO |                  |   |                  |  
    |                  |BAR|                  |v 5 point match (Cube: 1)
 XX |                  |   |                  |  
 XX |                  |   |                  |  
 XX |                  |   |                  |  
 XX |                  |   |                  |  On roll
XXX |    X     X  X  X |   |                  |  3 points
    +-1--2--3--4--5--6-------7--8--9-10-11-12-+  X: Neil

             Player       Opponent
Position          169           104

Cubeless equity               : +0.4707
Owned cube                    : +0.6734
Centered cube                 : +0.6598
Opponent owns cube            : +0.4490

Gives directly the probability of winning the match after Double/ Take and 
Automatic Redouble.

1.4707 divided by two = 0.73535.

What is the logic of using a more complicated formula here that is known to 
produce the wrong answer?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Petch 
  To: Neil Robins ; [email protected] 
  Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Use of Two-Sided DB in matches


  Whoa,

  It may be that I am dead tired and probably missing something. Can you give 
me the Gnubg ID (just the position) for your stats below? Because we are not 
looking at the same position. And I now see where all my confusion is coming 
from. Originally on BGO you posted this:

  http://www.bgonline.org/forums/webbbs_config.pl?noframes;read=47213

  Now since I don't have anyway of easily converting XBGid's to Gnubg I decided 
to use the GnubgID from the data you retrieved from Gnubg in this post:

  http://www.bgonline.org/forums/webbbs_config.pl?noframes;read=47327

  I have been blindly assuming that the 2 position were equal. After you posted 
below I realized they are different. In XBG you have the on roll person 
opposite to what you have for GnuBG. I have been copying and pasting the 
gnubgid out of this post all along. Its not the same.

  However I just discovered in this post:

  http://www.bgonline.org/forums/webbbs_config.pl?noframes;read=47359

  That its the same as your XBG. Can you clarify which position we are looking 
at? Right now, I am not analyzing the same one you are. I am confused. Thanks




  On 05/09/09 2:06 AM, "Neil Robins" <[email protected]> wrote:


    Those are the figures for opponent on roll.

    With you on roll it's:

        Player       Opponent
    Position          169           104

    Cubeless equity               : +0.4707
    Owned cube                    : +0.6734
    Centered cube                 : +0.6598
    Opponent owns cube            : +0.4490
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