maybe it's a good idea that we learn from "horizontal gene transfer"
be inspired by the pieces of the picture that are inspirational. we can always
learn something from anything.
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17. Aug 2016 04:14 by informat...@actiu.net:
> "not clear why Mozilla would not want the same as Gnuzilla"
>
> If we look into the deep reality, we'll see that them are 2 different
> projects with really different aims.
> Mozilla is basically financed by giant corporations with contracts to
> benefit those giants' market strategies. This is not always compatible
> with privacy and FOSS components&protocols.
>
>
> El 16/08/16 a les 20:51, > b...@shroggslodge.freeserve.co.uk> ha escrit:
>> Thank you for sharing your views Ivan.
>>
>> I just want to make clear as perhaps my previous post may have given a
>> wrong impression. It was not my intention for what I said to be taken as
>> criticism of Gnuzilla in any way.
>>
>> Peoples' efforts on projects such as Gnuzilla, SBo work and all similar
>> I find truly amazing.
>>
>> I must admit I am not clear why Mozilla would not want the same as
>> Gnuzilla and why that project would conflict with Gnuzilla ideas. Mind
>> you, the complexities of the human condition are huge :-)
>>
>> Perhaps it is safe to say that it is better to just wait and see how it
>> all pans out and what emerges.
>>
>> Thank you again.
>> Peace and good will to all.
>> Habs
>>
>> On 16 August 2016 at 19:05, Ivan Zaigralin <>> melik...@melikamp.com
>> <>> mailto:melik...@melikamp.com>> >> wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I am somewhat unhappy about the gnuzilla update/security
>> policy.
>> The move to forties apparently is not happening because it breaks
>> saved cookie
>> preferences or something, but I have to question the wisdom of
>> withholding
>> fixes for remote code execution because of that.
>>
>> Having said that, I think we need to take a few factors into
>> consideration.
>> First of all, it's not gnuzilla's fault firefox is so insequre, it's
>> mozilla's
>> fault. This browser has like a million holes in it, and may be the most
>> updated package in Slackware. Lagging a few releases behind sucks,
>> especially
>> when the bugs are made public, but at the same time it looks like every
>> firefox release in the last few years had terrible security holes in
>> it, so I
>> don't really feel that much safer using the latest version, and
>> neither should
>> you. If security is very important to a user, it may be prudent to
>> switch
>> browsers.
>>
>> Also, gnuzilla has a mission and a goal, and mozilla is not making
>> it easy.
>> They keep putting more and more ugly stuff into firefox and changing the
>> security policy, like with the cookies above, while gnuzilla team is
>> committed
>> to releasing a product which meets their rather high standards. As a
>> volunteer
>> effort, they've done great, and it would be completely unfair to
>> chastise them
>> for lagging behind mozilla, since gnizilla are not the ones breaking
>> it it
>> every release cycle.
>>
>> Finally, I believe there is a niche opening up for a firefox-based
>> browser
>> which is libre and meets free software distrubution guidelines like
>> icecat,
>> but has no extra privacy features, and passes all the mozilla pearls
>> onto the
>> users. Such minimal deblobbing could be potentially more robust:
>> that is, new
>> releases could be churned out as quickly and reliably as
>> linux-libre. Looking
>> at Parabola's thunderbird & seamonkey builds, I imagine something
>> like that
>> could be done for firefox as well. Anyone can step in and claim the
>> glory for
>> this one :) I don't have time to write a slackbuild like that and
>> run it by
>> FSF, but if anyone did it, I think I would actually switch.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 09:57:03
>> >> b...@shroggslodge.freeserve.co.uk
>> <>> mailto:b...@shroggslodge.freeserve.co.uk>> > wrote:
>> > Good morning
>> >
>> > Having got latest Icecat building with the -Os switch, it seems
>> there are
>> > some reports of [serious?] security issues with it.
>> >
>> > Here is where I first read something:
>> >
>> >>
>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/2016-08/msg00000.html>> <>>
>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/2016-08/msg00000.html>> >
>> >
>> > And I have seen further discussion and consternation about what to
>> do with
>> > Icecat and perhaps not using Firefox as base etc. I'm really
>> relatively
>> > only a 'user' so to speak, so I'm interested to know what others
>> feel....is
>> > there a serious security risk ?
>> >
>> > I realise this is SBo and not an Icecat forum, but I wonder what the
>> > contributors (and maintainer) on SBo feel about the reports being
>> made;
>> > should it affect whether Icecat is on SBo if its known to be
>> 'risky', or
>> > does it not matter, should comments be made [in the info] or is it
>> up to
>> > anyone wanting to use it to be self-aware and generally any other
>> comments
>> > to share.
>> >
>> > If this list really is inappropriate for posts like this (whatever
>> 'this'
>> > is), then just let me know.....but I would be interested in what more
>> > knowledgeable people on SBo feel ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you and good day to all.
>> > Habs
>> >
>> > On 8 August 2016 at 23:16, <>> b...@shroggslodge.freeserve.co.uk
>> <>> mailto:b...@shroggslodge.freeserve.co.uk>> >> wrote:
>> > > hi there all
>> > >
>> > > I have tried the -Os switch and it does appear to remedy the
>> problem.
>> > > Icecat no longer crashes in the scenario(s) I have documented.
>> > >
>> > > I wonder what the -O2 switch does differently to the -Os one.
>> > >
>> > > So for now that does appear to be the 'fix'. Thank you all.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Habs
>> > >
>> > > On 8 August 2016 at 20:36, Ryan P.C. McQuen <>> rya...@linux.com
>> <>> mailto:rya...@linux.com>> >> wrote:
>> > >> On Monday, August 8, 2016, Ivan Zaigralin
>> <>> melik...@melikamp.com>> <>> mailto:melik...@melikamp.com>> >> wrote:
>> > >>> I still can't replicate any crash whatsoever, even in places where
>> > >>> others
>> > >>> report them. However, Matt tells me that crashes went away
>> after he
>> > >>> rebuilt
>> > >>> with -Os. He also mentioned he's got an AMD Phenom, whereas I
>> am using
>> > >>> Intel
>> > >>> CPU, which may explain why I am unable to hit this snag.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I can certainly submit a fixed SlackBuild if there's a
>> consensus -Os is
>> > >>> an
>> > >>> effective fix. Please let me know :)
>> > >>
>> > >> Seems like that would be valid, since Slackware's own Firefox
>> build was
>> > >> passing that for version 43, and only removed it for versions
>> past 43:
>> > >>
>> > >> (Changelog reference):
>> > >>
>> > >> Wed Dec 23 22:44:58 UTC 2015
>> > >> a/lvm2-2.02.138-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >> ap/ghostscript-9.18-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >> ap/lsof-4.89-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >> l/pycups-1.9.73-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >> l/pycurl-7.19.5.3-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >> n/NetworkManager-1.0.10-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >> n/curl-7.46.0-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >> n/links-2.12-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >> n/obexfs-0.12-i486-1.txz: Removed.
>> > >>
>> > >> This functionality is now included in the obexftp package.
>> > >>
>> > >> n/obexftp-0.24-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks to Robby Workman.
>> > >>
>> > >> n/openobex-1.7.1-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks to Robby Workman.
>> > >>
>> > >> n/rsync-3.1.2-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >> x/libXi-1.7.6-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >> x/pixman-0.33.6-i586-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >> x/xorg-cf-files-1.0.6-noarch-1.txz: Upgraded.
>> > >> xap/mozilla-firefox-43.0.2-i586-2.txz: Rebuilt.
>> > >>
>> > >> Compile with -Os instead of -O2 to work around crash issues.
>> > >> Recent betas are working fine with -O2, so we'll probably be
>> > >> able to switch back to that again soon. Thanks to j_v.
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> -Ryan
>> > >> [ryanpcmcquen.org <>> http://ryanpcmcquen.org>> >]
>> > >>
>> > >>
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