I keep trying to look but there's alot of trouble in the way. I personally 
consider it very unwise to put a smile on in this sort of moment and pretend 
everything is fine when there are clearly unresolved issues. turning away from 
the problem and allowing it to grow would be like ignoring the fact that IceCat 
isn't feeling good and could use a visit to the vet. poor thing.  I hope we can 
all sail out of this thunderstorm safely. peace.

20. Mar 2017 11:57 by [email protected]:


>         
> Absolutely right. Everyone should calm down and look at the      common 
> greater good. Thank you for your appreciative words.
>     
> Oh, and to everyone who helped to develop Icecat and other open      source 
> software: THANK YOU, YOU PEOPLE ARE AWESOME.
>     
>     
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>     > Am 20.03.17 um 16:13 schrieb      > [email protected]> :
>     >     
>>       >>         >>           >>             >>               >>             
>>     >>                   >> Until now I've resisted on commenting on this    
>>                 little Icecat family fall-out between some of the            
>>         family members  :-)
>>                   >>                   
>>                   >>                   I can see some reason in all the 
>> points being made                  from all parties - some perhaps more      
>>             plausible/evidential/or whatever, than others.
>>                   
>>                 >>                 For my two-penneth single point 
>> gut-feeling view (not                just for Icecat either), I would not 
>> expect to see                community contributed open-source  etc effort 
>> to                develop/build for platforms and so forth where             
>>    commercial gain/interest is involved (usually for a                
>> minority few too). I would expect it to be low on                priority if 
>> it was part of any work, unless there was                some mandated, 
>> agreed and valuable reason to.  Yes I                know, sometimes it 
>> helps to do so, but I'm not sure in                this case.
>>                 
>>               >>             >>             I really appreciate all the 
>> clever people who work on Linux            and open-source, community 
>> inspired and driven software            efforts (and in other projects too) 
>> and make those available            for use  - I'd be in a worse place 
>> without them and I cannot            thank all those people enough...it 
>> warms the heart to see            people coming together to achieve things 
>> in this manner.
>>             
>>           >>           Thank you.
>>         >>         Habs
>>         >>           >>             >>               
>>                 
>>                 >>                   >>                     
>>                       
>>                     >>                   >>                 >>               
>> >>             >>           >>         >>       >>       
>>         >> On 20 March 2017 at 02:22, Ian Dunn <>> [email protected]>> >         
>>  wrote:
>>           
>>>
>>>             I see what you're saying, awakeyet.  From a certain            
>>> perspective, you make perfect sense.  Attempting to bog down            the 
>>> maintainer of a project like GNU IceCat to try and take            it down 
>>> is something I could see a competitor doing.  I            won't argue that 
>>> there are rotten people that do pull shady,            petty tactics like 
>>> that to get rid of the competition.
>>>             
>>>             But there are also good people.  People like Daniel, that       
>>>      only wanted to see support for his OS.  He wants to use GNU            
>>> IceCat, but he got attacked by people that laughed him out            for 
>>> not using GNU/Linux.  There could be 100 reasons he            can't or 
>>> won't switch, and we should respect that.  If we            don't show our 
>>> users respect, but instead assume that            perfectly honest people 
>>> are trying to troll or attack us,            then we're going to lose 
>>> people.  Not everyone is out to get            someone else, although I 
>>> know it can feel that way            sometimes.
>>>             
>>>             Everyone remember: We're all here because we want to see GNU    
>>>         IceCat succeed.  I've been watching the development for            
>>> years.  I've seen two maintainers try and fail to keep up            with 
>>> Mozilla's development cycle, and now a third is            struggling to 
>>> keep up.  That's why it's up to us to be            supportive, not just of 
>>> him, but of each other.
>>>             
>>>             I know it's easy to label awakeyet as a conspiracy theorist     
>>>        and move on without understanding his perspective, but we            
>>> should all keep in mind that he might be right.  And            awakeyet, 
>>> you need to be willing to accept that you might be            wrong.  I'm 
>>> not saying anyone's right or wrong here, but            this argument is 
>>> going to piss people off, and anger will            only make it worse.
>>>             
>>>             GNU IceCat is struggling enough without us all squabbling       
>>>      amongst each other.  Let's end this now before things get            
>>> any worse, and get back to supporting the browser we all            love.
>>>             
>>>             --
>>>             Ian Dunn
>>>             
>>>             --
>>>             >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
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>>       >> -->> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org>>     
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