How dare you call me a troll. because you disagree with me? you only seek to
discredit me because you don't like what I say. you're nothing different than
an internet social justice warrior. please do not message me again.
24. Mar 2017 22:08 by [email protected]:
> Go away troll, or else I'll take steps to ban you from this list.
> This is your final warning.
>
> Mark
>
>
> <> [email protected]> > writes:
>
>> I see what you're doing here, you're playing game of questions with me
>> and being very evasive while pretending to have no idea what I am
>> talking about, while also simultaneously giving yourself the unfounded
>> excuse to back up your own flawed argument that "I'm wrong" for "no
>> mentioned facts or reasons" without actually providing evidence that
>> supports your claims against me even though I'm the one always
>> pointing out the truth because I want people to wake up. How
>> convenient that you never show my previous full reply in your messages
>> to me so that people find it more difficult to follow this wild goose
>> chase back and forth you are trying to play me with. I said it before
>> and I'll say it again, if you don't like me for any reason, mark my
>> emails as spam. I honestly do not enjoy our interactions and I
>> politely request that you Julie, personally mark me as spam once and
>> for all. But I know you wont, because that doesn't accomplish your
>> goals does it? I'm not sorry and nobody is going to shut me up. I love
>> helping people so please I kindly ask that you prove me wrong and
>> don't message me again.
>>
>> 24. Mar 2017 09:01 by >> [email protected]>> :
>>
>> On 03/24/2017 07:09 AM, >> [email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> I point out your missteps in logic
>>
>> Where did you do this, and what "missteps in logic" are you talking about?
>>
>> you suddenly shift your argument if I may call it that to the opposite of
>> what you appeared to originally intend to say.
>>
>> What did you perceive me as originally intending to say, and what part
>> of my message made you perceive that?
>>
>> you don't actually want to provide a logical argument that shows any facts
>> and reasons why what I said wasn't good enough for you.
>>
>> I didn't respond to your email to argue against it. I responded to your
>> email to ask you to stop flooding my mailbox, as at the time you had
>> sent eight emails in quick succession for no good reason.
>>
>> I did of course argue against what you were saying, but it's a very
>> simple argument that you could easily refute if you are on the side of
>> truth:
>>
>> 1. There is no evidence to support your hypothesis.
>>
>> 2. There is no reasonable motivation for any known party to do what you
>> suggest.
>>
>> I can't prove that there isn't a conspiracy going on any more than you
>> could prove that the tooth fairy isn't real. But you can either show
>> evidence that supports your hypothesis, or at least start by showing a
>> credible motivation someone could have to want to sabotage IceCat and
>> not, say, Tor Browser.
>>
>> I love it how everyone is mentioning TOR but they all fail to mention the
>> important details like how extremely slow it is, the lack of functionality,
>> and how many times it has been
>> compromised. thanks for the suggestion but I'm very proud of what the
>> creators of icecat have done.
>>
>> Matters of convenience like how fast the browser don't matter in this
>> discussion, because if a malicious party wants to sabotage users'
>> privacy, they will go for the more popular option no matter how
>> convenient it is for the users, and given the lack of attention IceCat
>> has gotten anywhere outside of our little circle and the boost in
>> attention Tor Browser has gotten from the Snowden revelations, Tor
>> Browser appears to be more popular. If you have any evidence to show
>> that IceCat is actually more popular than Tor Browser, please feel free
>> to present it.
>>
>> In what way is IceCat more secure than the Tor Browser Bundle? These are
>> the facts I can see:
>>
>> 1. IceCat is frequently behind its upstream, Firefox, on updates.
>>
>> 2. IceCat includes LibreJS, which selectively stops scripts from
>> executing based on the presence or absence of a license statement in a
>> particular format. This means that any malicious party can convince
>> IceCat to execute JavaScript simply by lying about the license, or
>> (because the JavaScript infrastructure doesn't enable forking of a
>> website's JavaScript code, and LibreJS doesn't even support blocking any
>> scripts it detects as libre) simply making the script libre and keeping
>> in the malicious functionality. I explained this in my essay,
>> "Proprietary JavaScript: Fix, or Kill?"[1] Therefore, LibreJS cannot
>> reliably be protective against any sort of malicious JavaScript code;
>> its only protective effect is "security through obscurity".
>>
>> 3. When using Tor, IceCat blocks all requests for things like images,
>> unlike Tor Browser. This makes it possible for any website to
>> distinguish between Tor Browser and IceCat simply by embedding an image
>> onto the Web page and seeing whether or not the image was sent at the
>> time the Web page was loaded.
>>
>> 4. Other than LibreJS, which (as I explained) can easily be subverted,
>> IceCat offers no protection against malicious scripts except for what is
>> built into Firefox already. In particular, NoScript is not included.
>> Even when it allows all scripts to execute, NoScript provides certain
>> security features, such as protection against XSS attacks, which Tor
>> Browser benefits from.
>>
>> 5. IceCat and Tor Browser share the same upstream, Firefox ESR. This
>> means that, all other factors being equal, they should share the same
>> vulnerabilities. The least vulnerable of the two should be the one that
>> gets updated most promptly and most frequently, and that is Tor Browser.
>>
>> Put together, all of these facts paint a picture that Tor Browser is not
>> only more private and more secure than IceCat, but substantially so. If
>> you have any evidence to the contrary, please show me what that evidence is.
>>
>> [1] >> https://onpon4.github.io/other/kill-js
>>
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