On Thursday 18 June 2009 02:53:47 Bernhard Reutner-Fischer wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:16:10PM -0500, Rob Landley wrote: > >On Wednesday 17 June 2009 20:29:07 Denys Vlasenko wrote: > >> On Thursday 18 June 2009 00:52, Cathey, Jim wrote: > >> > Though systems are a lot faster now the loads put upon them > >> > are also a lot heavier. Much like > >> > the constancy of human behavior, the delays in systems tend to > >> > hover at about what we will tolerate. Twenty years ago's ten-second > >> > delay is still today's ten-second delay. Unless it's twenty. > >> > Or five. Never 0.01, which is what it would be based on clock > >> > rates. > >> > >> My guess is that performance bugs are only fixed when they are > >> painful enough. > >> > >> Example. KMail's abysmal performance on big mail folders > >> is not fixed yet only because it is tolerable on 2 GHz+ machines. > > > >Ha. > > easy enough to fix. apt-get remove --purge kde && apt-get install mutt && \ > echo 'set header_cache=~/.Mutt_headers' >> ~/.muttrc
If I wanted a text mode only mail client, I'd be using one. (And I think I looked at it anyway and it couldn't run a prefetch command and then parse the resulting mbox file.) > >> Five years ago, it would be a must to fix it. today, KMail devels > >> can procrastinate. > > I can't imagine to run anything KDE on a 100MHz machine anyway. Such a > box works nicely with (or without) X, a sensible WM like blackbox or > related descendants, rxvt or ggiterm, mutt and links/lynx/dillo etc. > > It's faster to reinstall such a box from scratch with a sane system than > to wait for KDE to bootup to the desktop _once_ anyway. Using or > complaining about KDE is just doctor-it-hurts-when-i.. syndrome :P I don't use kde anymore, I gave up on it when Ubuntu 8.10 no longer offered KDE 3 as an option, because KDE 4 is completely unusable. (Even Linus Torvalds abandoned KDE and switched to Gnome at that point, and he's been mocking the Gnome developers as clueless bastards for years.) I went to xubuntu (xfce) instead, I just haven't found a non-kde mail client that does everything I want. (Looked at over a dozen mail clients, a few of which I mentioned in my blog: http://landley.net/notes-2008.html#21-11-2008 ) You can install kde applications on a non-kde desktop. It sucks in 100 megabytes of libraries due to the unnecessary bundling (Microsoft has Office, Linux has _both_ KDE and Gnome), but it sort of works, more or less, if you squint and know that you have to install konqueror in order to modify the file type associations so kmail launches a web browser instead of _abiword_ when you click on a URL in an email. (Not that this works in xubuntu because the ubuntu repository's dependencies for konqueror don't seem to install the khtml libraries or some such, so when you launch it you get a blank screen and when you go "settings->configure konqueror" it immediately crashes. Bravo. Golf claps all around.) I've been looking for a replacement on and off since Kmail got eaten by Kontact. This is _well_ into frog-boiling stage, but it's not yet more hassle to keep using it than it is to switch when I still can't find anything I want to switch _to_. I'll probably break down and reconfigure my server to provide the services the other clients seem to expect (instead of the service I've been happily using for years now which they all seem to be too inflexible to cope with), just not this week. Anyway, _way_ off topic, just "using modern KDE as an example of anything other than raw failure probably isn't useful". :) Rob -- Latency is more important than throughput. It's that simple. - Linus Torvalds _______________________________________________ busybox mailing list [email protected] http://lists.busybox.net/mailman/listinfo/busybox
