Will, Well met sir, even if you are a brown shoe :-) Never knew anybody off the Coral Sea, but I knew an ABM off the Midway. he taught me two very important things I use to this day:
1. "There's the right way, the wrong way, and the Midway". I often quote that to new folks who can't quite figure out why the companies I have worked for since getting out do the things they do. 2. What the flight deck hand signal means that is a cupped hand over your fist, and then pull your fist down. I used to use that one quite often when I was working with new guys on oil platforms and drill ships right after I got out. Still use it sometimes in Management meetings, but I don't explain to them what it means. Good to hear about your Daughter, sounds like she wants to be at the tip of the spear. Tell her I said to remember that there are only two kinds of vessels, submarines and targets!! Ron Judging by personal experience, the next public health crisis after COVID 19 is likely to be cirrhosis. Ron Bosch When I was young and bold and strong, Oh, right was right, and wrong was wrong! My plume on high, my flag unfurled, I rode away to right the world. ‘Come out, you dogs, and fight!’ said I, And wept there was but once to die. But I am old; and good and bad Are woven in a crazy plaid. Dorothy Parker "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity" Wm Butler Yeats "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", thus building a wall of separation between church and State." Thomas Jefferson "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Peter Carr A Government founded upon justice, and recognizing the equal rights of all men; claiming no higher authority for existence, or sanction for its laws, than nature, reason, and the regularly ascertained will of the people; steadily refusing to put its sword and purse in the service of any religious creed or family, is a standing offense to most of the Governments of the world, and to some narrow and bigoted people among ourselves. Frederick Douglass "..any man who may be asked what he did .. to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction" 'I served in the United States Navy." John F. Kennedy On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 6:29 PM Will Gray via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote: > Ron, I quit college early joined the Navy via the Aviation Cadet program > (NAVCAD). Spent my at sea life in USS CORAL SEA as an RF8G photo pilot in > over Vietnam beginning at the ripe old age of 22. Then a cruise in the MED > in USS SHANGRILA. A tour with the USAF in T-38s teaching instructors > (haver having been an instructor myself) then back to USS MIDWAY in the > RF8G for its last combat cruise of the war. Following that I moved to the > EA6B Prowler community for several cruises ending as CO of VAQ-133. Off to > USS ENTERPRISE as Mini/Air Boss for two years. Pentagon, Naval War > College, Pakistan as Naval Attache and finishing up the 30 years as a > Captain as Defense Attache in Athens, GR. I was very fortunate every step > of the way. Didn't get shot, never crashed in my 860 carrier landings and > 117 combat missions in Vietnam. I was able to hang on to my great woman > for the whole ride (53 years this April 5th). Two great kids and Six > Grandkids. The eldest granddaughter is is at MIT and NROTC looking for > Nuclear power and SUBS. More than you wanted I bet. The Naval Service > was very good to me... Will KB7QL > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 6:15 PM Ron Bosch via BVARC <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Will, >> I wrote that story to a group on a Compuserv BBS back in mid '84, and >> then got asked in early '85 about a similar story that appeared in a book, >> except in the book it was the guy supposedly getting lowered onto the >> boat.. While I would like to say the two were connected, I don't believe >> they were, because the book came out in late '84, and it would have been >> written long before that, but it was a pretty cool coincidence. Also, >> having actually done a couple of transfers off the boat that way, I am >> pretty sure you could not actually do it the other way around, even in good >> weather without turning the transferee into a squishy pinata. But the book >> did get the part about the static discharge between the Helo and a large >> HY80 floating grounding rod pretty right. Might I ask where you served in >> Uncle Sam's Canoe Club? I crewed the USS Finback, and the USS James K. >> Polk, with a shore duty at NACU Norfolk in between. >> >> Will, Rob, and Orin, >> >> Thank you for the advise, the part about the spikes on the roof may be >> true, but I am certain the heads of the board of my HOA would explode were >> I to do that. I will get #6 solid ASAP, as well as order the arrestors for >> feed into the antennas. I have one on the feed line into the ID-4100 now, >> but it is an Archer #20-021 that i had from back in the day, and tied into >> the 12 GA wire I have running for the ground. I do not have the Jpole for >> the winlink station that I intend to run through my grand old DR-570 up >> yet, and the 7100 doesn't get here until this coming weekend soonest. >> >> Again, >> >> Thanks >> >> Ron >> KE4DRF >> >> Judging by personal experience, the next public health crisis after COVID >> 19 is likely to be cirrhosis. >> Ron Bosch >> >> When I was young and bold and strong, >> Oh, right was right, and wrong was wrong! >> My plume on high, my flag unfurled, >> I rode away to right the world. >> ‘Come out, you dogs, and fight!’ said I, >> And wept there was but once to die. >> >> But I am old; and good and bad >> Are woven in a crazy plaid. >> >> Dorothy Parker >> >> "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate >> intensity" >> >> Wm Butler Yeats >> >> "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between >> man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his >> worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and >> not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole >> American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law >> respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise >> thereof", thus building a wall of separation between church and State." >> >> Thomas Jefferson >> >> >> "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, >> every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, >> if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of >> blindfolded fear." >> >> Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Peter Carr >> >> >> A Government founded upon justice, and recognizing the equal rights of >> all men; claiming no higher authority for existence, or sanction for its >> laws, than nature, reason, and the regularly ascertained will of the >> people; steadily refusing to put its sword and purse in the service of any >> religious creed or family, is a standing offense to most of the Governments >> of the world, and to some narrow and bigoted people among ourselves. >> >> Frederick Douglass >> >> "..any man who may be asked what he did .. to make his life worthwhile, I >> think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction" 'I served in >> the United States Navy." >> >> John F. Kennedy >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:50 PM Will Gray via BVARC <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Submarine, North Sea, big helo , rain storm: nasty setup, the kind of >>> event that generate great sea stories (they are all true, though change a >>> bit when told over the years). Likely the static charge from the helo >>> rotes caused the strike. I would go for #4 or #6 solid copper wire for >>> the ground circuit. Tie your ground to the utility inlet ground, water >>> pipes and gas pipes. depending on the setup, might want to add a couple >>> more of those 8' ground rods. Still there is no guarantee but it improves >>> the odds. >>> >>> Will, KB7QL >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:36 PM Ron Bosch via BVARC <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Will, et al, >>>> To agree with you in a backhand kind of way, I have, in fact, seen >>>> lightning hit a submarine while at sea in a rain storm in the North >>>> Atlantic, although the lightning in question came off of a line hanging >>>> from a Sea Stallion, and was VERY Impressive to a 20 year old ELT whose job >>>> it was to make sure the deck was radiologically clear prior to a med evac. >>>> To bring it back to topic, though... Having just gotten back into HAM radio >>>> after a 10 year absence, I have recently acquired some new and expensive >>>> toys. The "current" grounding set up is a 12 GA wire run from my station >>>> to the ground rod put in as part of the repaneling of my electrical into >>>> the house. The ground rod in question is an ~8 foot copper rod driven into >>>> the ground with about 6 inches showing above ground level. I bonded the 12 >>>> GA wire to the rod with a hose clamp. Do you all think that sufficient to >>>> protect my brand new ID-4100 and IC-7100? >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> KE4DRF >>>> >>>> Judging by personal experience, the next public health crisis after >>>> COVID 19 is likely to be cirrhosis. >>>> >>>> Ron Bosch >>>> >>>> "..any man who may be asked what he did .. to make his life worthwhile, >>>> I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction" 'I served >>>> in the United States Navy." >>>> >>>> John F. Kennedy >>>> >>>> When I was young and bold and strong, >>>> Oh, right was right, and wrong was wrong! >>>> My plume on high, my flag unfurled, >>>> I rode away to right the world. >>>> ‘Come out, you dogs, and fight!’ said I, >>>> And wept there was but once to die. >>>> >>>> But I am old; and good and bad >>>> Are woven in a crazy plaid. >>>> >>>> Dorothy Parker >>>> >>>> "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate >>>> intensity" >>>> >>>> Wm Butler Yeats >>>> >>>> "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between >>>> man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his >>>> worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and >>>> not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole >>>> American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law >>>> respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise >>>> thereof", thus building a wall of separation between church and State." >>>> >>>> Thomas Jefferson >>>> >>>> >>>> "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, >>>> every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, >>>> if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of >>>> blindfolded fear." >>>> >>>> Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Peter Carr >>>> >>>> >>>> A Government founded upon justice, and recognizing the equal rights of >>>> all men; claiming no higher authority for existence, or sanction for its >>>> laws, than nature, reason, and the regularly ascertained will of the >>>> people; steadily refusing to put its sword and purse in the service of any >>>> religious creed or family, is a standing offense to most of the Governments >>>> of the world, and to some narrow and bigoted people among ourselves. >>>> >>>> Frederick Douglass >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 11:53 AM Will Gray via BVARC <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lightning is interesting. The strike begins when the electrons that >>>>> have been scrubbed from the air by rain or snow are deposited on the >>>>> ground (generally). A negative charge builds where the earth acts like >>>>> the >>>>> plate of a capacitor. With no other path the charge gets great enough to >>>>> find the path of least resistance back to the atmosphere overhead or >>>>> nearby >>>>> from where the electrons were scrubbed by failing rain. If the area is >>>>> well grounded, the electrons are dissipated in the the earth, if insulated >>>>> (why lightning strikes concrete runways) the charge builds. If your >>>>> house, >>>>> ground, trees, or anything is insulated allowing the charge to build, the >>>>> strike will occur when the charge is great enough. In my years at sea in >>>>> he Navy, I never saw a lightning strike hit the surface of the water or >>>>> the >>>>> ship, no matter how heavy the rain. The salt water as a conductor >>>>> dissipated the charge. Aircraft flying in rain build up a charge and may >>>>> be struck, damaging them with burn marks and even scoring bearings in the >>>>> engines. Aircraft have static wicks to bleed off the charge just as >>>>> trucks >>>>> have straps to bleed off the charge so the 7,000 gallons of gasoline in a >>>>> tanker truck doesn't go up in flames from a lightning strike or lesser >>>>> static discharge. >>>>> >>>>> Will Gray, KB&QL >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 11:38 AM Robert Polinski via BVARC < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Much what is said is true, but I will add a few points. Forty some >>>>>> years ago I worked for a 2 way radio co. We had the Yellow Cab contract. >>>>>> I >>>>>> was at Yellow Cab on Hays street in north Houston. I was replacing 2 >>>>>> radios >>>>>> in the radio shack at the base of the 450ft tower that had been removed >>>>>> and >>>>>> taken to the shop for repair. As I got setup to replace the radios in the >>>>>> rack, there were 4 radios & 4 standby radios in the rack. They used 4 VHF >>>>>> channels at that time. There was a thunderstorm approaching outside. The >>>>>> radio shack was just a small 8x 12 building a the tower base. The radios >>>>>> were DC remote controlled from the dispatch office located 100 ft away. I >>>>>> waited for the storm to pass before installing the repaired radios, as I >>>>>> did not want the touch the rack a long as the storm was near. As I sat on >>>>>> the floor of the shack looking out the door, it was raining real hard. I >>>>>> then saw lightning strike the power lines behind the mechanic shop about >>>>>> 300ft away. It blew a AC receptacle on the wall behind me off the wall. >>>>>> Damaged 2 of the 4 radio power supplies, 1 DC remote. I had disconnected >>>>>> all the standby equipment before the storm to facilitate the installation >>>>>> of the replacement radios. To make a long story short (LOL) The lightning >>>>>> hit the power line 300ft away from a 450ft tower. No lightning came down >>>>>> the tower. So just being high in the air, does not necessarily make it a >>>>>> lightning rod. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is important is bonding everything together. If all equipment >>>>>> in your shack is at the same potential, the lightning current will not >>>>>> have >>>>>> anywhere to flow. I can charge the case of your K3 with 10,000v but if >>>>>> there is no current flow no damage will occur. If lightning hits the >>>>>> power >>>>>> line and the ground rod at your shack is a better path than the AC ground >>>>>> at your meter the current will travel thru your rig to get to the rod. If >>>>>> you bond the shack/antenna ground with the AC ground with a #6 wire. >>>>>> Since >>>>>> both are at the same potential, there will be no current flow & no >>>>>> damage. >>>>>> ( this bonding is required by the NEC) See Mike Holt on you tube to >>>>>> understand this. Robert KD5YVQ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* BVARC <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Eddie Runner >>>>>> via BVARC >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2020 9:53 AM >>>>>> *To:* Mark Brantana via BVARC <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Cc:* Eddie Runner <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] Antenna Mounting Options >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark, it is true, lightning does what it wants to do. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have had outside antennas of all types including towers , long >>>>>> wires, dipoles, cb antennas, shortwave, Ham of all kinds, over the past >>>>>> 50 >>>>>> years, I have had houses with ground rods and houses without ground rods >>>>>> and even when I had ground rods some antennas would sometimes not be >>>>>> grounded... (one house I had 19 antennas up at one time).. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a rule, if there is a threat of lightning, I AM NOT GONNA >>>>>> TOUCH THAT COAX.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So that means I NEVER disconnect my coax when a storm comes.. >>>>>> NEVER...NEVER... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as I can remember I have never had lightning damage on any >>>>>> radio gear.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Back in the 80s there was some speculation that lightning may have >>>>>> come in >>>>>> >>>>>> through the phone line and destroyed 2 modems ( I used to run BBS's).. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have seen a few times where lightning hit TOWERS or POWER PANELS on >>>>>> >>>>>> homes, some were hams and some were just people with no antennas... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have seen gear supposedly hit by lightning.. Maybe some was, maybe >>>>>> some just blew the finals >>>>>> >>>>>> cause the guy forgot to hook up the coax he unhooked the last time he >>>>>> heard thunder.. ha ha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But even all the times we know about, it is still fairly unlikely.. >>>>>> and if the lightnng has your >>>>>> >>>>>> name on it.. ??? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck.. it is all VOODDOO..ha ha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Eddie (NU5K) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 06:16:29 AM CDT, Mark Brantana via BVARC >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Since folks are hunkered down anyways, here is a problem. I am >>>>>> improving my emergency radio capability by adding a 2-m radio to my home >>>>>> office. Who knows where this thing is going, and I think this is a good >>>>>> time to prepare. I would like your thoughts or experience with the >>>>>> following. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am looking to mount a 2-m antenna on my roof. Currently I have a >>>>>> TV antenna attached with a j-pole just below the chimney output. I have >>>>>> a >>>>>> single-story house. My plan has been to extend the j-pole about 4 ft >>>>>> higher to get better TV reception, and mount the antenna just above it. >>>>>> I >>>>>> do have to watch out for offending the HOA. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My property has power lines running parallel with the back of the >>>>>> house, and these power lines are about 35 feet high and 35 feet laterally >>>>>> away from the chimney. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am concerned about a couple of things: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Some day I may want to start a fire in the fireplace, and I do >>>>>> not want the heat to get to the antennas. This is why I have the TV >>>>>> antenna mounted below the top of the chimney. >>>>>> 2. I would like to avoid arching or lightning strikes, though I >>>>>> think it is quite common for most of us to have power lines around to >>>>>> contend with. Two thoughts here: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Of course, I will ground it all. >>>>>> 2. I wonder if the power lines might protect the lower >>>>>> antennas since lightning may hit them first. I mention this since >>>>>> the >>>>>> first thought was that the power lines might add to the lightning >>>>>> risk, not >>>>>> detract. >>>>>> 3. That said, lightning does what it wants, and even a nearby >>>>>> lightning strike, as opposed to a direct strike, will do >>>>>> significant damage. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On that last point, I will share a short story. When in Louisiana >>>>>> many years ago, we got into a discussion about how lightning had >>>>>> destroyed >>>>>> a lot of equipment in a member’s shack. This included, as I recall, >>>>>> about >>>>>> 3-5 computers, and about as many radios. This was all sitting on a metal >>>>>> table. Due to the lightning storm, the Ham had disconnected all of the >>>>>> antennas. Lightning hit his tower and made the 2” jump to the table. >>>>>> The >>>>>> rest was history. But, that was not the story I wanted to tell. That >>>>>> was >>>>>> the discussion we were having. Another Ham broke in and told us that he >>>>>> had a tower at one end of his house which was operational, and he had >>>>>> just >>>>>> that day mounted a short marine antenna at the other end of the house on >>>>>> his chimney. It was a dark and stormy night the previous evening, and >>>>>> the >>>>>> lightning passed the tower to hit the yet unconnected marine antenna. >>>>>> So, >>>>>> lightning does not follow the rules. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> OK, so I diverged. I really would like to know what experience and >>>>>> advice you can offer me on my project. The power lines make me nervous, >>>>>> and I really wish my best mounting option were not in the heat zone of >>>>>> the >>>>>> chimney. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> N5PRD >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________________________ >>>>>> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club >>>>>> >>>>>> BVARC mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >>>>>> ________________________________________________ >>>>>> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club >>>>>> >>>>>> BVARC mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> 431 Forest Circle >>>>> Ruston, LA 71270-2642 >>>>> H:318-251-2219 >>>>> C:318-265-2976 (text) >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________________________ >>>>> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club >>>>> >>>>> BVARC mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >>>>> >>>> ________________________________________________ >>>> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club >>>> >>>> BVARC mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 431 Forest Circle >>> Ruston, LA 71270-2642 >>> H:318-251-2219 >>> C:318-265-2976 (text) >>> [email protected] >>> >>> ________________________________________________ >>> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club >>> >>> BVARC mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >>> >> ________________________________________________ >> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club >> >> BVARC mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >> > > > -- > 431 Forest Circle > Ruston, LA 71270-2642 > H:318-251-2219 > C:318-265-2976 (text) > [email protected] > > ________________________________________________ > Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club > > BVARC mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >
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