You do not have to remove them if you installed Tesla solar panels. They do your entire roof. Solar panels where you need them and glass that look like solar panels everywhere else. cha ching... need I say more.

73...bruce

On 4/5/2021 7:29 PM, Rick Cary via BVARC wrote:
Anyone considering solar panels on the roof, make sure and figure the removal costs for re-roofing into your total cost of ownership.
Rick Cary
K5RBC

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On Apr 5, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Rick Hiller via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote:


Of course, you could always go with a Tesla Power Wall and Solar set up.   Centerpoint just sent me a marketing e-mail offering them at a reduced rate.  Still about $12K per TP wall.   13 KWH at 5 KW peak.  Of course you can install multiple units and solar panels, etc. Just throw money at it.

Choose your poison.....RH



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On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 6:39 PM Home via BVARC <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    I was using open framed generators when my power would go out. It
    was no problem for me to push it out of storage and run the power
    cords. I knew which breakers to turn off or on etc. I was on a
    job in Ohio when my wife called that the power was off and it was
    90 degrees inside the house. She was not happy 4 young kids no
    lights, air condition and no water (we live outside city
    utilities). She called an electrician which was a small fortune
    just to have the water well running. I was in the same mindset is
it’s too expensive for a whole house generator. When I got
home
    we had a family discussion. A whole house generator with a
    transfer switch was installed and cost was no object😂

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    On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Mike Hardwick via BVARC
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    All of this gasoline stuff and sizing problems are nothing but a
    headache when dealing with any generator. Get one of these and
    it will take care of all of those issues (you can also power the
    most of your street at well)!

    https://www.wired.com/2007/12/toshibas-home-n/
    <https://www.wired.com/2007/12/toshibas-home-n/>

    You will have plenty of power for that Alpha amp now!

    Mike
    N5VCX



    On Monday, April 5, 2021, 09:13:50 AM CDT, JP Pritchard via
    BVARC <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


    I agree with you Ron about the hassle of a DIY solution, but for
    those who might feel confident about meeting that challenge, but
    hesitant to take on a 10 to 20 thousand dollar investment in a
    "whole house" generator, here's a less expensive plan: Install a
    single room heat pump style air conditioner, and add a small
    fridge and microwave. Then power it with a small moveable
    generator. That set up would keep you warm or cool, keep the
    lights in your one room going and power for your fridge,
    microwave and TV. There would be a cost, but not nearly what
    you'd face with the Generac solution.
    JP (Richard) K5JPP
    On 04/05/2021 8:56 AM k5hm.ron--- via BVARC <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Yes, the solution N5PRD describes  was possible. We had a
    portable generator before we purchased the Generac solution.

    At our age which I am guessing is more advanced, the job of
    pulling out the generator from the garage, hooking it up,
    testing it periodically, having some type of feed through
    connection from the generator to the fan and other things you
    want to power like the refrigerator and the upright freezer,
    storing and hunting around for fuel, going outside to refuel
    the generator in the cold dark night were also considerations

    So I opted for the more automated solution. It is permanently
    installed by licensed plumbers and electricians, self-testing,
    automatically switches on whenever the utility power goes out.
    I have a seven year warranty on it and the maintenance plan too.

    And I also have the satisfaction of knowing that my wife and
    family are also protected from electrical failures after I pass
    on.

    73,

    Ron, K5HM

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    *From:* BVARC <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Mark Brantana
    via BVARC
    *Sent:* Sunday, April 4, 2021 11:35 PM
    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>; BRAZOS VALLEY
    AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
    *Cc:* Mark Brantana <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
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    Gulf Division Director

    I just have to wonder, how Generac can justify the cost of
    their generator. That is what does not add up for me.

    4kW = $250 at Home Depot

    17kW=$10,000 from Generac

    Looking at the chart below; from Hiller, if you want A/C
    included, it is going to take that much power.

    If this is not critical, there another option could be considered:

    A whole-house unit would be nice to have, but a Generac would
    cost about $120+/mo for four years. The small 4kW portable
    generator I bought would be paid for in about 2 months at that
    rate.

    If you have gas heat, you can run the fan with the smaller
    unit. In this option you can buy all the emergency generating
    power you need for the cost of the 4kW generator I bought at
    Home Depot for around $250. Add a SPDT switch to the fan and
    wiring for around $100 and the total cost is about $350.

    It does not have to be Generac or nothing. Even if I had the
    cash, I don’t know if I could justify the very high $/kW. I
    would prefer a few more vacations.

    I would have been very comfortable if I had just been able to
    run the heater fan.

    Mark

    N5PRD



        On Apr 4, 2021, at 8:11 PM, Bruce via BVARC
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        We had our Generac whole house generator installed in
        August, 2020. Our house is all electric. Shortly after,
        someone cut down a tree about a 1/2 mile from us, it fell
        on a utility pole knocking out power to our entire street
        for 8 hours. The generator was great during that summer
        heat. Then came the cold of February and it worked great
        for 4 days. The neighbors on both sides of me and behind me
        all have generators. The $10,000 investment will never be
        recovered however, having power is wonderful. In fact, it
        cost me about $1.25 an hour in natural gas to run the
        generator. Could not be more pleased.

        For those getting a generator, if you go after a Generac,
        be sure to watch their website for warranty specials. I
        have a 10-year warranty plus the first year onsite service.
        Paid my dealer for 5 years of onsite above that. Changing
        the oil is a piece of cake as I had to do it during the
        cold. Every 25 hours of run time. I bought 6 filters and a
        bunch of 5W30 synthetic oil to do it during an emergency
        when the dealer could not come out. Takes about 10 minutes
        to change it.

        Enjoy your generator.

        73...bruce

        On 4/4/2021 7:57 PM, k5hm.ron--- via BVARC wrote:

            For those of you who don’t know John, I met him when he
            was the Division Vice Director.  He is very active in
            the ARRL and a great advocate for hams in Texas. He has
            been a frequent presenter at our Ham Fest and club
            meetings.  He knows his way around Texas politicians
            too.   I’ve never had much use for lawyers but John is
            the exception. Perhaps because like me, he is also an
            engineer.

            Dear John,

            I wanted to thank you for your persistence in guiding
            the Texas legislature to pass recent legislation
            regarding HOA’s preventing the installation of standby
            generators.

            During the recent  Texas freeze my XYL and I were
            without power for 4 days We existed by camping out in
            our family room with the cats and the gas fireplace and
            lots of flashlight batteries. Fortunately, we have a
            gas stovetop, so we were able to prepare food. When it
            was over, I vowed, we would not have to live without
            heating and AC winter or summer.  We signed with a
            local dealer and hopefully we will have the standby
            system installed before the 2021 hurricane season begins.

            While we were going through the paper work with the
            company rep, he showed us a suggested letter we could
            send to our HOA that stated

            “I  understand it is my responsibility to obtain all
            HOA approvals for my whole house generator system. I
            acknowledge/Quality Generators/cannot act on my behalf
            in dealings with my HOA.”

            It was then I remembered John talking about his
            legislation regarding this problem.  So I Googled it.
            There it was in black and white. Texas Property Code
            Section 202.019. I

            It reads:Except as provided by this section, a property
            owners' association may not adopt or enforce a
            dedicatory instrument provision that prohibits,
            restricts, or has the effect of prohibiting or
            restricting an owner from owning, operating,
            installing, or maintaining a permanently installed
            standby electric generator.

            Thanks again John.

            73,

            Ron, K5HM

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