On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Mark Crispin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

MC> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Vadim Zeitlin wrote:
MC> > Sorry, I forgot about that one. But AFAIK it's very uncommon compared to
MC> > mbox and mh. In fact, I don't know any programs using it, do you?
MC> 
MC> Well, gee, you're talking about a hack to extend mh format for c-client 
MC> that mh itself won't know about.  That's a different format.

 But backwards compatible with MH and mostly (or even fully) compatible
with quite a few of modern MUAs which use similar "mh+" formats.

MC> > For a typical usage scenario it definitely is. I didn't do any hard
MC> > testing but mh was certainly much faster for me than mbox for mailboxes
MC> > containing from 1000 to 20000 messages.
MC> 
MC> With what client?

 Both XFMail and my own Mahogany (using cclient). The performance hit when
I had to abandon mh (because flags are too useful to have) was really
painful.

MC> If you actually use IMAP as IMAP, with such things as 
MC> fetching envelopes and searches, you'll find something different.

 I don't see why fetching envelopes would be slow(er), as for searches it's
not something that I do every 30 seconds (unlike expunging).

MC> > If there were any chance of you
MC> > accepting patches to the mh driver, I would do some tests comparing mbox
MC> > and mh on a few different systems to prove it.
MC> 
MC> Since those patches won't be compatible with the original mh program, I'm 
MC> not interested.

 I might be missing something there but why wouldn't they be compatible?
The mh program would still work with these files, just not benefit from any
new features.

MC> The successors in the one-message/one-file style of doing things are such 
MC> formats as Cyrus, mx, and yes maildir.

 I've looked up mx in cclient docs and you write yourself that you have
abandoned it -- hardly a good sign. The other 2 are ok except cclient
doesn't have support for them...

 Basically the problem is that the only reasonably well performing format
in cclient is mbx but it:

1. doesn't allow dual use mailboxes (yes, I'm one of these strange people)
2. is a binary format with all corresponding problems

 Having a well-behaving mh driver or a possibility to use an optional index
for mbox (as all non-toy programs using this format do) would be great.
It's a pity that neither is apparently going to happen.

 Regards,
VZ

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