On 8/17/06, Thomas Hruska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm a busy person - which process is easier?  I've been harking
> YahooGroups for a long time to give us moderators a web client to better
> manage our groups without the painful interaction of using their
> website.  By "web client", I mean an application that I can put on my
> desktop and, when I start it, it jumps straight to the moderation queue
> and thus would make it easy to moderate messages for YahooGroups.  I've
> occasionally thought about making this myself and extracting information
> from YahooGroups pages, but it seems like a ton of work for little
> reward and Yahoo does funky things like inject ads at random times.  I'd
> need the love and support of the other moderators on the list to make
> this project worthwhile - and, even then, it would need significant work
> to perform better than the website.  That is, the moderators here need
> to tell me that you would use such an app. as well.  I know Paul has
> other groups he moderates.  I'd even make it easy for me to hit a "ban"
> button from the moderation queue to ban the spammers without logging in.
>
> BTW, the "love and support" thing just means you'd love an application
> like that - sending me flowers or digital hugs is _NOT_ what I meant.
> Digital hugs = major bleh.

I would be into something like this... I moderate quite a few lists
and something like this would be dreadfully useful. Where do we start?
:-)

> Anyway, Brett, I don't know how you are getting IMs from people, but
> that shouldn't be happening.  I've never received an IM from a c-prog
> member and if I ever do, I would tell that person to send their request
> to the list.  Forwarding the person to the list is the best thing you
> can do.  Source code and IM don't mix.  Been there, done that.  IMs
> interrupt the flow of thinking and you're probably busy on something
> important at the moment an IM comes in.  I generally tell people I'm
> busy and I'll talk to them later, which is probably why my "Buddy" list
> is nice and short.  My IM accounts (I've got 4) are primarily for
> business and for my personal account, most people figure out that I'll
> talk to them when I am free for a few minutes.

Yep, I generally redirect them to the list and encourage them to keep
the discussion there. My YIM is primarily for work, with the exception
of a few personal contacts. Oddly enough, the profile I use for
YahooGroups doesn't have an Instant Messenger ID associated with it...
which makes it even more annoying when someone still tracks me down.
*grumble*

> The verdict:
>
> Moderators are now free to reject messages as long as there is an
> associated explanation of at least one sentence.  So, for homework
> problems, you can use something simple like "Homework-style questions
> require source code attempts before being accepted."  Or, for those who
> hate typing boring, canned replies, "Got homework questions?  Include
> attempts at solving them."  Or for those who hate typing, "Show your
> attempts."  Or, if you want to be rude and get yelled at by me, "Dude.
> Show some effort."

I think the esr list of 'how to ask questions' link is useful to send,
too... although I imagine many won't bother to read regardless, or
think it doesn't apply to them.

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