At 05:33 2007-02-17, you wrote:
Hi All,
Don't ever feel proud of commenting on culture or race or something ..
if you don't know what are you talking about than I leave up to you
to decide what should you call your self other than stupid
and if you know and Still you are making such statements you should
burn all your books because they had no effect on you.you have No
right to call yourself an educated person even if you feel your self
next to KnR or Stroustrup ...
Even you people should have Avoided making personal comments on the sender ...
if you don't like the mail .. delete it ..else report to the
moderator to filter such mails ..
this is not the way to reply to mails ..
nor is THIS sterling example of yours
you guys have no right to Insult the sender any how
the mails are not sent to you personally .... these are sent to the
groups ..OK !!
you don't get to make the rules, Mr Hruska does.
I had an impression of this group that people discuss C programming here ..
I never expected to get updated by the information like " how many
Fathers an American has ...or How bad Indians Speak
English ....or How does Indian culture help asking question ..."
NO !!! that's not the Way,
better we concentrate on what we are here for
or suggest us to leave.
perhaps you should, if you're offended
Bye
M.A.
On 2/17/07, Jaspreet Singh
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On 2/17/07, Thomas Hruska <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Milan Babuskov wrote:
> --- Thomas Hruska wrote:
>> Just checked the moderation queue and here's a bit of spam that
>> someone wanted to get through to the group:
>>
>>> I AM NOT A HEADHUNTER, JUST TRYING TO HELP THE PROJECT
>>> MANAGER OF A PROJECT!!! SWEAR!!!
>>>
>>> There is an urgent requirement for C++ (3-5 years
>>> experience) in a CMM Level 5 company in Hyderabad
>
> Yes, those "urgent requirements" are always funny...
So are the "i am having a doubt" messages. Sounds like the species name
is "Doubt" but how males (mostly) giving birth to extraterrestrial
children relates to C/C++ is just confusing. And weird/bizarre.
Whoever is teaching English to Indians is somehow missing some of the
more important subtleties of the language. After encountering the first
half-dozen messages of "i am having a doubt" here on c-prog, I
eventually determined it means the rough equivalent of "I have a
question" but with some attempt to "save face" mixed in. In other
words, a lot is lost in the translation. Still, it sounds odd even
today when I know what the person means. (I'm making a lot of
assumptions based on observations, but the Indian culture has a lot of
"saving face" aspects built into it. To ask someone directly "I have a
question" would be inappropriate in that culture because it causes the
person asking the question to lose face. But you don't want to say
something that causes either person to lose face so they settle for "I
am having a doubt". Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)
Lets not generalise things based on what a small time recruiter has
written in the automated mails that he has tried to spam thousands
of users with. I assure you that is not what the common Indian does.
I belong to Indian culture based on the belief that I have spent
almost all of my 27 years in India with a few months in between in
the US and Japan. I could always say that in the US, the kid may be
son of a Smith in the morning but by the evening he might have had 3
different fathers. But that would be absolutely rude and foolish to say.
Also, "asking a question" in the Indian culture does not mean you
are being in-appropriate. Alas most of the people who spam these
mailing lists sound so foolish that most of the people outside India
start having this feeling that this is what majority of the Indians
do. BUT thats not true. [using same phrase ("most of the people")
again is bad English]
I think the "urgent requirements" is something along the same lines.
The author doesn't fully comprehend that it sounds odd to us because we
don't say "urgent requirements" in association with a job offer...all
the employers I've ever met only open positions that need filling
because there is a need for the position within the organization. The
relationship of the need being filled and its importance is expected on
both ends (here in the U.S.) to be _implicit_. To say the position is
an "urgent requirement" is redundant, explicit, and unnecessary. Thus
saying it leads to an awkward situation. Again, the Indian culture
plays a role here - from what I understand, it is somewhat "laid back"
except in the business sector. Without saying "urgent requirement", an
Indian would take it to mean that the position isn't available right
away or there is no rush to fill it (i.e. take your time).
Again wrong. There is no relation between "urgent requirement" and
"position availability" [atleast in the Indian culture or whatever
little I know about my culture]. Again the recruiters who lack
English grammatical skills are the ones who spam the most giving a
mis-conception.
Still, both aspects are somewhat humorous from our perspective just
because they sound a tad "off" and our minds start wandering trying to
piece together a reasonable sentence that makes more sense to us. When
we can't figure it out, we write it off as one of "those funny things
Indians do".
Actually there are lots of funny things we Indians do either out of
lack of knowledge and / or intentionally. That I must admit is one
of the good[or bad] things about the Indian culture.
Just a couple thoughts. And I could be wrong, but that's MY brain
trying to make sense of things people say.
Please excuse my English skills because I only started learning the
English language once I reached the 5th grade. Again, I must point
out in todays generation, most Indians start learning English even
before their mother tongue in the schools. Alas, I cannot say about
their English grammar skills though.
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