----- Original Message -----
From: "Jari Worsley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Cactus Roadmap & V2 Propsal RFC
> Thomas Calivera wrote:
> >
> > Vincent et al
> >
> > I attempted to post this earlier, but it apparently did not make the
list.
> > At this stage in the game, with work on V2 starting, feel free to
> > respond, "Sorry, too late."
> >
>
> I too am coming in to the thread late- have been having mail problems
> over the weekend. Comments below.
>
> > --
> >
> > complicate matters further. Does anyone disagree with the normative
> > statement of "simple, modular testing frameworks are better than
integrated,
> > complex ones?"
> >
>
> I disagree, sort of... ish.
>
> I agree that simple frameworks are better than complex ones.
> I don't agree that integrated frameworks are necessarily more
> complicated than modular ones. What i think is important is the level of
> documentation provided by a framework, whether modular or integrated.
> Good documentation is IMHO most important in getting people to use a
> project. There are a number of ways of testing server side code, so why
> did I recently try out cactus? because of the level of documentation on
> the site - it made me believe I could use it, and got me started
> quickly.
>
... and ... ? :-)
>
> > Another persuasive argument made by others is that the J2EE interfaces
and
> > contracts of those interfaces are the central reference for both mock
> > objects and containers. In theory, containers run their *own* tests
against
> > the specified contracts of the interfaces such that an application
tested
> > against well-designed mock objects will work perfectly in a container so
> > tested.
>
> It's the real world evidence that containers are far from perfect that
> is an issue, and the "deployment" issues that testing can help with,
> like having a team developing on a mixture of NT and Linux, but then
> deploying the finished app against Linux only, or other config changes
> like using Resin to develop, then Apache and Resin to deploy.
>
> Jari
>
> >
> >
> <snip>
> - comments on container testing removed - i think you've partly resolved
> that issue by pointing out watchdog for container comnpliance testing.
> --
> Jari Worsley
> Senior Programmer
> Hyperlink Interactive Ltd
-Vincent
