Hola Alex,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Fern�ndez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Cactus v2 - POLL] Extension to web.xml mechanism
> Hi again Vincent and wannabe committers!
>
> Vincent Massol wrote:
> > > All these [VOTE] issues are great, but I'm afraid you are the only
> > > committer in the Commons-Cactus subproject. It will be difficult to
get
> > > quorum (3 +1's) if you don't bring reinforcements... :)
>
> > 1/ Technically there are already 3 committers : Rob Leland, Ted Husted
and
> > myself. However, Rob and Ted are working on other subjects and helped me
> > initially to move Cactus to Jakarta. So we should not count on them to
give
> > their voice (although they are more than welcomed to do it if they wish
!)
>
> Ok, it's good to know there are more people in case you should convert
> to anti-computerism :)
>
:-)
> > 2/ I intended to have everyone interested to vote (including
non-commiters)
> > because you are right, there are not enough committers to be meaningful.
So
> > I viewed this vote as rather informal compared to the voting guidelines
of
> > Apache. Actually the goals of this process was twofold :
> > a - get opinions of cactus users and developers (whatever their status :
> > committers, non-committers, ...)
> > b - clearly explain the options we have for Cactus v2 and ideas of
> > implementation to everyone. I want anyone who has something to say to
jump
> > in the discussion rather than forcing the solution onto everyone. Hey
I'd
> > like this to be a collaborative work ... !
>
> That is great. Then, according to the rules in Jakarta land, they are
> rather [POLL] issues. Not to be picky, it's just that the [VOTE] stuff
> is intimidating at first sight.
>
You are of course completely right and it shows that I am still a novice in
jakarta land ... :)
So please all forgive me for this mistake. You shoul read POLL rather than
VOTE .... I'll correct that in all subsequent posts.
> > 3/ Of course I'd like to bring in reinforcement ... Does it mean you
would
> > be willing to become an active committer ... ? If so, that would be with
> > pleasure ... Also, we are in the process of making Jari Worsley a
committer
> > (it's just that the guys with the permissions to do so seem to be very
busy
> > on other things so it takes time ... :( ).
>
> Thanks a lot. In fact, I'd like to wait until I send some contributions.
> There are a couple of reasons for it:
>
> - You are exposing your prestige with this. Your code is great, and you
> level of commitment is even better. But if you bring folks around who
> cannot end a line with a ; for their lives, it'll suffer.
> Now, I can end lines with a ; and I think myself I'm a great
> developer, but honestly you should wait to see the code I produce. And
> the level of commitment you can expect from me varies according to my
> day job; perhaps it's not enough to be a committer.
>
> - Everyone who joins the group must like the way Jakarta works, but seen
> from the inside. I don't know this, and cannot know until I send
> contributions and/or patches. Afterwards, I'll be happy to join the
> group if you see it fit.
>
What you say is very true and I appreciate your openess on the subject.
However there is always risk when doing collaborative work. What is
important is adaptation : everyone need to adapt and be open. I will need to
adapt to accept changes proposed by others, be in the code standard or in
other areas and on the other side the person committing need to understand
that there are rules to follow ... But I am willing to accept that (and
you're forgetting that I have already read your code when you submitted the
mock object implementation for servlet API ... ! :) ).
I have not said that I would accept everyone asking to become a committer
but I'll definitely examine the proposition and set up a path to become one
with the proponent (like first submit some patch, etc) ...
> In fact, right now in my day job I'm developing a mock-object
> implementation for EJB access, we need it urgently. I don't know yet if
> it will work, but it's very funny! :)
>
lucky you ... to be able to do this in your day-job ! :)
would you be able to donate it to Cactus afterwards ... ? :-)
> Un saludo,
>
> Alex.
Thanks Alex
Hasta luego
-Vincent
