On the same note is there a automated cactus generation tool such as the one for junit?
Thanks,
Martin
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>Just a heads up on Mock objects.. they seem simple, they aren't. There are
>a lot of weird subtleness issues with the order of setting up expected
>results. And the concept of using generic objects to record a series of
>expected results, and then verifing the expected results occur with a real
>object? Egads..! Cactus has lots of setup issues, that is where most
>bugs/heartache comes from. MockObjects, especially once you get beyonnd the
>super simple onces, have a lot of difficult concepts to grok instead..
>
>The two technologies are both difficult, simple on the surface, but more
>complex as you get deeper. Something that may help with learning cactus is
>to A) buy the book. b) Start over with much simpler use cases. When i
>tried Cactus the first time, I tried to apply it to a very complex database
>driven, xml parsing, coffee brewing app! Well, it didn't brew coffee, but
>almost. It was very frustrating. So then I went and tried out cactus
>testing with the JNDI code for commons-configuration, and it was much
>simpler.. Contributing that code helped me get a success under my belt and
>made getting deeper into cactus much more enjoyable.
>
>I do think my motto: "Nothing is ever easy..." is very applicable to
>software development..!
>
>Eric
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tarek M. Nabil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 11:19 AM
> > To: Cactus Users List
> > Subject: RE: Good bye Tarek (was RE: REPOST: RE:
> > Authentication Failure
> > --> Problem Found)
> >
> >
> > Vincent,
> >
> >
> > AFAIK, there are not many known bugs. 99.99% of the time it
> > is an error
> > from its users. J2EE stuff is complex.
> >
> >
> > Maybe that's because there are a lot of subtle things that
> > you need to do to get it to work, and they're never mentioned
> > in the documentation.
> >
> >
> > There are other ways to pay back apart from money, like
> > giving your time to help
> > the others and contributing. I can tell you that if you're recognized
> > for doing this others will more likely help you out. That's how things
> > work in life. It's also true for open source.
> >
> >
> > That's easier said than done. How can you contribute to
> > something you can't understand? If you have a problem and you
> > never find out how to solve it, what do you have to contribute?
> >
> > Anyway, thanks to everyone. And, BTW, mock objects are my
> > next trial, so wish me luck.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tarek Nabil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vincent Massol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:06 PM
> > To: 'Cactus Users List'
> > Subject: Good bye Tarek (was RE: REPOST: RE: Authentication
> > Failure -->
> > Problem Found)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tarek M. Nabil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 23 November 2003 10:22
> > > To: Cactus Users List
> > > Subject: RE: REPOST: RE: Authentication Failure --> Problem Found
> > >
> > > Hi Andrew,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your support. I hope that you and everyone else will have
> > > better luck with your efforts. As for me, I've decided to drop the
> > whole
> > > Cactus idea. The problem I described below took me several days to
> > > determine the root cause and until now, I haven't been able to solve
> > it.
> > > Now, that I'm even faced with more problems writing trivial
> > tests, and
> > my
> > > questions are not being answered by anyone, it seems that the whole
> > thing
> > > is losing its meaning. This is supposed to increase
> > productivity, not
> > > hinder it.
> > >
> > > Maybe in the future, when the framework is less buggy and there are
> > more
> > > developers dedicated to support, maybe then I will try again.
> >
> > AFAIK, there are not many known bugs. 99.99% of the time it
> > is an error
> > from its users. J2EE stuff is complex.
> >
> > >
> > > Before I unsubscribe from this list, I just want to say that I still
> > > believe in the open source model. But open source projects
> > need a lot
> > of
> > > effort before they're embraced by the developer community.
> >
> > *You* are the open source, so it's only as good as you can make it.
> > There's no one paid to support you, Tarek. We're all busy
> > working on our
> > day work and we're only developing/supporting at night time,
> > during our
> > free time.
> >
> > That said, nobody is preventing your from hiring support services to
> > help you out. AFAIK, you haven't approached anybody for that.
> > There are
> > other ways to pay back apart from money, like giving your time to help
> > the others and contributing. I can tell you that if you're recognized
> > for doing this others will more likely help you out. That's how things
> > work in life. It's also true for open source.
> >
> > > The most
> > > important of these efforts is support to the community
> > through mailing
> > > lists like this. Unfortunately, this is not the case here.
> >
> > Feel free to come back when you've something to contribute.
> >
> > Thanks and good luck
> > -Vincent
> >
> > PS: If you don't want to use Cactus, the other alternative you should
> > consider is using mock objects.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >
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