Kyle McDonald wrote:
> Sarah Jelinek wrote:
>   
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Sarah Jelinek <Sarah.Jelinek at sun.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Located at:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/auto_install/AI_Reqs_Final/
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> I would find quite helpful to be able to perform an installation into
>>> an alternate boot environment. That is, while I am running a
>>> production workload I should be able to perform a fresh installation
>>> using the same profiles, rules, and pre/post automation as I would use
>>> if I were performing a network-based installation.
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> Are you talking a 'live' installation utilizing the AI profile? That is 
>> using the profile used to generate the initial BE on the system with AI, 
>> to install the alternate BE?
>>   
>>     
> I know I'd like to be able to have it create a blank BE, and then 
> install it with the AI profile of my choice - and using what ever means 
> it normally uses during a net-boot-install (rules? lookups? etc) to find 
> the right profile for this host if I don't give it one. Basically a 
> net-install but without taking the machine down.
>   
Doing a net-install on a live system may not be a AI requirement. It is 
a general install RFE to support live install to an alternate BE.
>   
>>> There needs to be a way to specify which disk(s) to install onto.
>>> There are two parts to this:
>>> - It should be possible to programatically mirror the boot environment
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> The thought here is that ZFS makes it easy to setup mirroring after the 
>> fact. So you can create a single disk boot pool and then attach a device 
>> creating a mirror later. The thing I think that needs to be considered 
>> is how AI users would want to get mirrors setup. Asking them to go to 
>> the client afterwards to setup the mirror might be the wrong thing to do.
>>   
>>     
> Yes. I wouldn't really consider it an 'Automated  Install' if I need to 
> login and attach the second mirror manually - or even automated outside 
> of AI..
>   
>>> - If I'm performing an automated install, I should be able to ensure
>>> that the installation goes to my intended boot drive(s), not the
>>> drives on the SAN (which may be enumerated in such a way that the
>>> controller number is lower than the boot disks) that contain a
>>> database that I'd prefer not to have to restore.
>>>
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> Agree.. I didn't explicitly call this out, but we do intend to allow 
>> users to specify which disk to to the install on.
>>     
>>   
>>     
> This is one area I'd like to see some innovation in. I agree with Mike 
> that I'd like to be able to tell AI to ignore my SAN disks, but at the 
> same time I'd like to not have to tweak the profile for each machine 
> tiype where the local disk might be c1t0, vs c0t0, etc.
>
> I don't know if this means some sort of 'local-only' or 
> 'direct-attach-only' quailfier, or a 'ignore-san', or what. But 
> basically I'd like something like the jumpstart 'rootdisk' only smarter 
> and possibly willing to take advice. For mirroring it'd be nice to have 
> an equivalent 'roormirror' that also hhad some brains on picking a good 
> second disk to mirror to.
>   
I agree that this is a big issue with automated installation. The 
suggested ideas are a good starting point. The install needs to 
distinguish between local disks and SAN disks.

- Sundar
> I'm really trying to stay up at a high level of 'requirements' but I 
> just can't help thinking in terms of 'implementation.' Sorry.
>
>    -Kyle
>
>   
>>> What file systems does it allow upgrade from?  UFS?
>>>
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> ZFS. It is a pkg image-update essentially. We don't support UFS at all.
>>
>> Regards,
>> sarah
>>
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