Nate is just grumpy lately, but I do echo some of what he said. The core group (I am on the outside of that because I have commit access to do my console stuff) has every right to ignore requests from people if they don't feel it will add anything.
Now, this is not because an idea has no merit. It's because, well, this isn't a democracy. It's a dictatorship and we benefit from the hard decisions they make. When the time comes for the console to launch, I will be saying no to a lot of things if I don't agree with it. Just like all the other core guys. So, keep the ideas coming, file trac bugs and enhancement requests, but remember it's not you they hate, it's your idea they don't like. Or maybe it's just *my* ideas Nate hate. On 4/11/07, bbuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK, OK... > > Thank you for taking the time to explain - seriously. I didn't mean to > hijack the thread, so I suppose this should have been an independent > discussion. I appreciate the fact that there's a lot of work being > done by a relatively small amount of people. In fact, I'm very > appreciative of it - you're making my job easier. > > I wasn't pointing fingers, I didn't call people names. My only point > was that, in my opinion, the tone of some people has been dismissive > lately. And when people are using the group to learn from, it can be a > turn off. Turn enough people off and the community shrinks. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 11, 5:57 pm, "nate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John's right, you're reading way into it. I mean, would you rather > > not be updated on the status of the feature? If it was a major > > priority, I would have given a definite time frame, but it's not, so I > > can't (not that it isn't an important feature). Besides, if I was > > trying to give you an attitude, suggesting that you're obnoxious, or > > insinuating that you're bugging the crap out of me, believe me, you'd > > know. > > > > Also, you may want to consider that we're a small team doing a whole > > lot of work, including coding, testing, writing documentation (no, I'm > > not kidding) and answering everyones' questions. More often than not, > > "I don't like your attitude" is basically the thanks we get. > > > > The other thing we get a lot of is people saying "you should change X > > to work like this," or "you should add feature Y". No, we shouldn't. > > CakePHP is the lean, mean framework it is today because we say 'no' a > > lot more often than 'yes'. That's why 'should' isn't a word you want > > to approach an Open Source project or team member with. I'm not > > reading into buzznut's intention here (I'm giving him the benefit of > > the doubt, since he's right anyway), I'm just speaking in general > > terms. If you think you have a good idea for a feature, great. Write > > a patch, submit a ticket, and we'll think about it (again, buzznut, > > not directed at you, I just happen to be on a roll right now). > > > > Now, I've spent a lot of time ranting lately. Contrary to popular > > belief, I don't enjoy it. It's a pain and it wastes my time; time that > > I could be spending writing code. Unfortunately, however, you people > > can't read my mind (not that I expect you to), and while I greatly > > appreciate the fact that the vast majority of you on this list are > > intelligent and well-intentioned, the fact is, every once in a while, > > someone gets certain ideas into their heads, or just says something > > downright stupid (as we saw recently in another thread). When that > > happens, those people need to be corrected. I mean hey, somebody's > > got to do it. Gwoo's the good cop, and we try not to let PhpNut stop > > coding, so that pretty much leaves me. > > > > On Apr 11, 4:21 pm, "bbuchs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:11 pm, "nate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> That > functionality is still in progress. It'll be done when it's done. > > > > > =================================== > > > > > OK, this is off-topic, but the tone of Nate's response has become all > > > too common. I'm not saying it's one person or another, but I have > > > certainly seen a generally negative vibe coming from some of the > > > leadership. And that's putting it mildly. > > > > > What's with the attitude? It's not helping anyone, and it's really > > > turning me off. > > > > > -- Chris Hartjes My motto for 2007: "Just build it, damnit!" @TheBallpark - http://www.littlehart.net/attheballpark @TheKeyboard - http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
