Hi John!

> Why would you need to distribute the docs when they're already freely
> available?

"Free" -> chmod 0444??? Free to read, you mean, I guess. :-)

Let's us take a hypotetic project (not so hypothetic, because I am
doing one with CakePHP).
I make a Project using CakePHP. MIT Licence allows me to change it
according to my needs.

But my customer wants the documentation, oh NOT ONLY what I've done,
but also the CakePHP and the modifications... Well, what I problem I
got now, wouldn't you say? Mr. Woodworth told me the Documentation and
the Logo is Cake Foundation's intellectual property! Alas, I will have
to rewrite Cake's doc from the scratch, Oh nooo.... First, I can't
produce an altered version of the manual and distribute it. Second, I
can't also store the manual in the same CD of my project, I have to
instruct my customer to read or download it from the Cake website.

OK, stopping the sarcams now.

You see the point? Or even, I want to make my own version of commented
manual, I just cannot. Or for instance, I live in Brazil, people here
simply don't talk english... I would like to provide them a version of
commented manual with Portuguese comments, but this also is not
allowed.

I cannot do ANYTHING with CakePHP manual because it's Cake Software
Foundation intellectual property.

please! chmod 777 CAKEMANUAL.

Uldérico

On Jun 19, 6:03 pm, "John David Anderson (_psychic_)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jun 19, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Jonathan Langevin wrote:
>
> > I'm not saying the developers aren't capable of providing  
> > documentation. Docs for 1.1 are probably the nicest I've seen  
> > (although since the group convinced me to try 1.2, I've become very  
> > frustrated with 1.2 's lack of docs). my comment wasn't intended to  
> > put down anyone, my thinking is to keep trademark and legalities  
> > separated from open-source documentation.
>
> > think about it like this: if I were to develop an application using  
> > CakePHP, and redistribute the application + cake along with  
> > documentation, there would apparently be a legal issue, as the  
> > Manual is considered the intellectual property of the Cake  
> > Foundation, correct?
>
> Why would you need to distribute the docs when they're already freely  
> available?
>
> > \so if there were a truly unencumbered documentation repository,  
> > this situation could be avoided. additionally, if cake  
> > documentation were to ever fall into "disrepair", a new initiative  
> > could be started for the documentation without infringing on  
> > someone's intellectual property
>
> > i'm not saying that developers should be excluded by any means, so  
> > please don't be offended by my remarks
>
> We're just trying to understand your concerns - please don't take  
> disagreement as anything more than disagreement.
>
> :)
>
> -- John


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