Here is very good book for unit testing, i suggest you start reading it instead of reading tuts or articles in a separated manner: http://www.limespace.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/practical-php-testing.pdf You can legally use the book and distribute it :)
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 5:13 AM, netusco <[email protected]> wrote: > thanks! ok you convinced me at least to give it a try. > I guess what I would like to find is a blog that could explain well > all the parts needed to develop apps correctly, as I just find things > here and there and I have to figure out if I need to implement them or > not. Probably because I never worked for a "boss" in development > > On 9 jan, 00:35, nurvzy <[email protected]> wrote: > > Testing is essential for any application you intend on maintaining or > > will be passing between developers. > > > > In regards to click testing, sure -- test your app yourself, if you > > only do it once you've saved time by not writing the test. But now > > lets say you then refactor a bit/add a new feature. Well now you need > > to verify all the stuff that was working before still works. So you > > hand test your app again and now you're officially wasting time. Had > > you just taken the extra few minutes to script your test you'd always > > be able to run it anytime you needed to reassure yourself (or your > > boss/client) that things are working. Say you make another change, > > and now you have to go back and test by hand again. Now you're > > wasting your time and your boss's/client's money. Your time is your > > own to waste, but you won't be in business long if you're in the habit > > of wasting your boss's money. By not scripting the tests you'd > > otherwise do by hand that's exactly what you're doing -- wasting > > resources. > > > > That's not to say 100% coverage is the only way, but certainly test > > things that have broken before, are key parts of your application, and > > specs written by your employer/client. At the end of the day, by > > testing your app you'll gain more confidence in your app, the fear of > > refactoring will be gone and you actually have something to show your > > boss/client that it works the way they specified. > > > > Testing isn't a waste of time, *NOT* testing your application is a > > waste of time. > > > > Nick > > > > On Jan 8, 8:01 am, netusco <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > thanks, I appreciate the answers and I understand them but seen the > > > amount of work needed on testing... isn't it faster to just test your > > > app directly and debug when there's errors on it? I've been doing like > > > this so far.. But I wonder if I should change that habit. > > > > > On 7 jan, 20:06, euromark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > you are partly wrong > > > > > > for small apps the amount of time needed for complete code coverage > > > > and full web test cases > > > > is far too much compared to the value. > > > > it would be wonderful, but we simply dont have the resources > > > > > > so test the stuff that is tested the quickest, test the stuff that > can > > > > easily break or go wrong > > > > thats it, high coverage with low time costs. > > > > > > this way you have a tradeoff between those to variables > > > > and it already helps MORE than not using it at all - even if the time > > > > to write the tests wasn't that big of a deal. > > > > as soon as you have more time you can work on the coverage task > again. > > > > > > but testing itself is a must! > > > > > > On 7 Jan., 15:52, Joshua Muheim <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear netusco > > > > > > > I know exactly what you mean - most CakePHP tutorials about testing > > > > > aren't that great; they expect you already have plenty of ideas on > why > > > > > testing is good, and they only explain how in theory you can use > the > > > > > SimpleTest library to test your CakePHP apps the same way you have > > > > > already tested a dozen of apps before with other testing > frameworks. > > > > > > > YOU SHOULD REALLY DO TESTING. That's what I really want to entrust > to > > > > > you. But I agree with you: the examples from the cook book aren't > very > > > > > authentic. Such fine-grained testing you want to do when you are > e.g. > > > > > creating a library that absolutely relies on every part of itself > and > > > > > that you have written yourself, so you can't rely on the idea that > > > > > anybody else has already done the biggest parts of testing for you. > > > > > > > When using a good framework like CakePHP, you can rely on exactly > > > > > that: most of the functionalities are tested and have proven to > work. > > > > > So you don't really need to test *everything* in your application, > if > > > > > you don't want to, but you should take a pragmatic approach to > testing > > > > > it in a way you have a good cost/benefit balance. > > > > > > > If you really don't want to much testing, then I suggest you use at > > > > > least the scriptable browser of SimpleTest. This way you can check > > > > > with very small effort whether the main parts of your applications > > > > > work. You can. e.g. script the browser to register as a user, and > > > > > after changing some parts of your application, you know with a > single > > > > > click whether it had any negative influences on the user > registering > > > > > part of your app. > > > > > > > I don't have time to write any more stuff, but I guess this will > lead > > > > > you into the right direction. > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:25 PM, netusco <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > I've been recently wondering wether to use SimpleTest or not... > so I > > > > > > thought to ask what does people do. As I'm learning programing > always > > > > > > by myself I don't know how others work... but it seems to me that > > > > > > using cake test for normal little applications is a pain in the > ass as > > > > > > for the amount of coding needed. Also to test if a function is > > > > > > returning correctly the format of an amount in EUR as in one of > the > > > > > > cookbook examples it seems to me stupid, as when I code a method > like > > > > > > that I try to make shure it gives back the expected result and if > it > > > > > > ever brakes is because I had given an invalid value or something > > > > > > similar... > > > > > > > > But I can be totally wrong as I had seen a video of mark > encoraging to > > > > > > use testing. > > > > > > > > So my question would be wether people use it or not and if people > use > > > > > > it only for big app or even for small ones. > > > > > > > > thanks! > > > > > > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions > sitehttp://cakeqs.organdhelpotherswith their CakePHP related questions. > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups "CakePHP" group. > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > [email protected]<cake-php%[email protected]>For > > > > > > more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others > with their CakePHP related questions. > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "CakePHP" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<cake-php%[email protected]>For > more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. 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