On 10/10/2022, 22:23, "Cake on behalf of Sebastian Moeller via Cake" 
<cake-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of cake@lists.bufferbloat.net> 
wrote:


        [SM] Tricky... e.g. vectoring enabled CPE can be instructed by the 
DSLAM to send error samples in-band with the data, but that traffic is never 
seen by our shapers, so to account for that we need to set a fraction that 
allows for that (more or less) periodic traffic. I guess one can reach a point 
of "goog enough" even when ignoring such eventualities, especially if having to 
convince through-put hot-rodders. Always interesting to hear experience from 
the real world, thanks!

In my bussiness we can't let perfect be the enemy of good. If we were to wait 
for the perfect firmware, nobody would have internet access at all.  Our team 
moto is "suck less".  Meaning we know there are issues with all products we 
take to market. And to get to market at all we unfortunately need to accept 
some suckiness in one domain or another.  So when we follow up the vendors each 
new firmware has to suck less. 

-Erik

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