Hi, On Tuesday, July 31, 2012, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 30 July 2012 22:18, Gord Tanner <g...@tinyhippos.com <javascript:;>> > wrote: > > Our main goal for Ripple being in the ASF is to try to build community > > around it and get the cordova / mobile web app developer bases behind it > > and able to contribute to it without the "This belongs to RIM" mindset we > > are getting now. > > That's a very good start ;-) +1 The broader community goal is best served by being a separate podling. > The narrower Cordova goal might be better served by being a > sub-project and, as Jukka said, you can always spin-out of Cordova as > a TLP later. Or vice versa, if Ripple on its own doesn't end up attracting a community beyond that of Cordova, it's also possible to "spin-in" later to a Cordova subproject. Based on the discussion so far it sounds like Ripple has the makings of a great Apache project also on its own, especially with co-operation and some committer overlap with Cordova. > > This may be getting off topic now for the cordova mailing lists so who > do I > > talk to from ASF to start setting up the donation of Ripple? > > First off you need a Champion. Their role is to help guide you through > the proposal process which is described at [1]. The role of champion > is defined at [2] You'll also need some Apache mentors to help once you get started. I'd be happy to volunteer. BR, Jukka Zitting > > > > Gord > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Ross Gardler > > <rgard...@opendirective.com>wrote: > > > >> On 30 July 2012 16:56, Michael Brooks <mich...@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote: > >> > If Ripple was donated as a standalone project, then a shared > >> > general@mailing-list between Cordova and Ripple would be very nice. > >> > >> IMHO such lists don't (often) make sense. Jukka made the suggestion > >> using Hadoop as an example of a consortium of projects. However, there > >> is (to my knowledge - Jukka will correct me if I'm wrong) no such list > >> for Hadoop. > >> > >> What topics would need to be discussed on a general mailing list > >> between the two projects which could not be adequately carried out on > >> the more focused project list? > >> > >> Unless there is a very surprising answer to the above question, the > >> way I see it the options are... > >> > >> - Ripple as a sub-project of Cordova with all development on > >> cordova-dev (potential for too much non-cordova discussion) - example > >> lucene and friends > >> > >> - Ripple as a new podling with all development on ripple-dev and > >> cordova-dev (interested cordova and ripple devs cross-subscribe) - > >> example hadoop and friends > >> > >> Remember, this is only my opinion based on my observations of what > >> works in the ASF today - the ASF is a flexible place. Changes to old > >> approaches can be adopted when good reason to do so is presented. > >> > >> Ross > >> > >> > >> > > >> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Ross Gardler < > >> rgard...@opendirective.com>wrote: > >> > > >> >> On 30 July 2012 15:06, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitt...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> > Hi, > >> >> > > >> >> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:18 PM, <gtan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I sometimes see cordova not as a specific platform (or set of > APIs) > >> but > >> >> as a leader > >> >> >> in the open mobile web. If we are able to step away from the > idea of > >> >> cordova being > >> >> >> a singular platform but the bleeding edge of mobile web r & d it > >> makes > >> >> sense to > >> >> >> have ripple be a part of that. > >> >> > > >> >> > A good example of how such a vision is being realized at the ASF is > >> >> > the Hadoop project that has given birth to a growing ecosystem of > >> >> > related cloud and big data projects at and around the ASF. Instead > of > >> >> > Hadoop hosting related projects like HBase, Pig, ZooKeeper, etc. as > >> >> > subprojects under a single PMC, it simply acts as a central focus > >> >> > point for a larger cluster of projects. > >> >> > > >> >> > I'd love to see Cordova increasingly position itself as such a > focus > >> >> > point for mobile web projects both within and outside the ASF. > >> >> > >> >> +1 > >> >> > >> >> > One > >> >> > concrete idea towards such a goal could be to start a > general@mailing > >> >> > list as a shared forum like the one Hadoop has for discussions that > >> >> > reach beyond the boundaries of individual projects or codebases. > >> >> > >> >> I'm not sure we're ready for that yet. What other projects would be > >> >> interested in this? > >> >> > >> >> Possibly Wookie (W3C Widget engine), others? > >> >> > >> >> Ross > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler) > >> >> Programme Leader (Open Development) > >> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ross Gardler (@rg -- Jukka Zitting
