I'm happy to champion too, if that would be acceptable to you. I don't have the cycles to mentor, but I'd I help hey you into the incubator that will free Jukka to focus on getting Cordova through the final steps while I focus on helping you with your proposal.
Have a read through the resources I sent you and duo me a mail if you need help. First objective is a draft proposal. Ross >From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness On Aug 2, 2012 4:59 PM, "Gord Tanner" <g...@tinyhippos.com> wrote: > Wow! > > That would be amazing Jukka :) > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitt...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2012, Ross Gardler wrote: > > > > > On 30 July 2012 22:18, Gord Tanner <g...@tinyhippos.com<javascript:;>> > > > wrote: > > > > Our main goal for Ripple being in the ASF is to try to build > community > > > > around it and get the cordova / mobile web app developer bases behind > > it > > > > and able to contribute to it without the "This belongs to RIM" > mindset > > we > > > > are getting now. > > > > > > That's a very good start ;-) > > > > > > +1 > > > > The broader community goal is best served by being a separate podling. > > > The narrower Cordova goal might be better served by being a > > > sub-project and, as Jukka said, you can always spin-out of Cordova as > > > a TLP later. > > > > > > Or vice versa, if Ripple on its own doesn't end up attracting a community > > beyond that of Cordova, it's also possible to "spin-in" later to a > Cordova > > subproject. > > > > Based on the discussion so far it sounds like Ripple has the makings of a > > great Apache project also on its own, especially with co-operation and > some > > committer overlap with Cordova. > > > > > > > > This may be getting off topic now for the cordova mailing lists so > who > > > do I > > > > talk to from ASF to start setting up the donation of Ripple? > > > > > > First off you need a Champion. Their role is to help guide you through > > > the proposal process which is described at [1]. The role of champion > > > is defined at [2] > > > > > > You'll also need some Apache mentors to help once you get started. I'd be > > happy to volunteer. > > > > BR, > > > > Jukka Zitting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gord > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Ross Gardler > > > > <rgard...@opendirective.com>wrote: > > > > > > > >> On 30 July 2012 16:56, Michael Brooks <mich...@michaelbrooks.ca> > > wrote: > > > >> > If Ripple was donated as a standalone project, then a shared > > > >> > general@mailing-list between Cordova and Ripple would be very > nice. > > > >> > > > >> IMHO such lists don't (often) make sense. Jukka made the suggestion > > > >> using Hadoop as an example of a consortium of projects. However, > there > > > >> is (to my knowledge - Jukka will correct me if I'm wrong) no such > list > > > >> for Hadoop. > > > >> > > > >> What topics would need to be discussed on a general mailing list > > > >> between the two projects which could not be adequately carried out > on > > > >> the more focused project list? > > > >> > > > >> Unless there is a very surprising answer to the above question, the > > > >> way I see it the options are... > > > >> > > > >> - Ripple as a sub-project of Cordova with all development on > > > >> cordova-dev (potential for too much non-cordova discussion) - > example > > > >> lucene and friends > > > >> > > > >> - Ripple as a new podling with all development on ripple-dev and > > > >> cordova-dev (interested cordova and ripple devs cross-subscribe) - > > > >> example hadoop and friends > > > >> > > > >> Remember, this is only my opinion based on my observations of what > > > >> works in the ASF today - the ASF is a flexible place. Changes to old > > > >> approaches can be adopted when good reason to do so is presented. > > > >> > > > >> Ross > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Ross Gardler < > > > >> rgard...@opendirective.com>wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >> On 30 July 2012 15:06, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitt...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> >> > Hi, > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:18 PM, <gtan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> >> >> I sometimes see cordova not as a specific platform (or set of > > > APIs) > > > >> but > > > >> >> as a leader > > > >> >> >> in the open mobile web. If we are able to step away from the > > > idea of > > > >> >> cordova being > > > >> >> >> a singular platform but the bleeding edge of mobile web r & d > it > > > >> makes > > > >> >> sense to > > > >> >> >> have ripple be a part of that. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > A good example of how such a vision is being realized at the > ASF > > is > > > >> >> > the Hadoop project that has given birth to a growing ecosystem > of > > > >> >> > related cloud and big data projects at and around the ASF. > > Instead > > > of > > > >> >> > Hadoop hosting related projects like HBase, Pig, ZooKeeper, > etc. > > as > > > >> >> > subprojects under a single PMC, it simply acts as a central > focus > > > >> >> > point for a larger cluster of projects. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > I'd love to see Cordova increasingly position itself as such a > > > focus > > > >> >> > point for mobile web projects both within and outside the ASF. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> +1 > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > One > > > >> >> > concrete idea towards such a goal could be to start a > > > general@mailing > > > >> >> > list as a shared forum like the one Hadoop has for discussions > > that > > > >> >> > reach beyond the boundaries of individual projects or > codebases. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I'm not sure we're ready for that yet. What other projects would > be > > > >> >> interested in this? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Possibly Wookie (W3C Widget engine), others? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Ross > > > >> >> > > > >> >> -- > > > >> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler) > > > >> >> Programme Leader (Open Development) > > > >> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Ross Gardler (@rg > > > > > > > > -- > > Jukka Zitting > > > > > > -- > Gord Tanner > Senior Developer / Code Poet > tinyHippos Inc. > @tinyhippos >
