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On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Mike Reinstein <reinstein.m...@gmail.com> wrote: > Okay, will do. Any feedback on the other comments? I'll proceed with > merging the cordova-client and command line tooling spec next. I suppose it > probably makes sense for me to start working out of JIRA so these tasks can > be tracked. Is registration open or do I need to get permission from an > admin for an account? > > > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com> wrote: > >> Sorry for the late reply, this looks awesome! >> >> The one modification I would do is remove "www" as a platform (you have a >> comment in there about that too). >> >> On 9/5/12 7:12 PM, "Mike Reinstein" <reinstein.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> eventually we will move pluginstall into apache >> >Okay, I wasn't sure if that would happen, so I went with the slightly more >> >conservative assumption, that pluginstall might live separately from >> >cordova-client. But I get the impression this is a left-over notion from >> >when Andrew first built pluginstall and it wasn't clear then whether or >> >not >> >it would take hold. >> > >> >I've got an initial version of the merged documentation for the >> >pluginstall >> >command line tool, and the specification doc. It's here >> >https://github.com/mreinstein/pluginstall >> > >> >I've also added some comments on possible changes. Overall the doc is >> >pretty tight, so it's largely unchanged. Would really appreciate >> >constructive feedback on this. If it looks right I'll send a pull request >> >to alunny, and then proceed with merging cordova-client design doc into >> >the >> >README on github. >> > >> >-Mike >> > >> >On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com> wrote: >> > >> >> +1 ! >> >> >> >> (I THINK) eventually we will move pluginstall into apache (assuming the >> >> authors are cool with that) so it will go 2 docs -> 1 doc. >> >> >> >> On 9/3/12 1:49 PM, "Brian LeRoux" <b...@brian.io> wrote: >> >> >> >> >love it >> >> > >> >> >On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Mike Reinstein >> >><reinstein.m...@gmail.com> >> >> >wrote: >> >> >> Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. I've had a chance to review the >> >> >>docs >> >> >> more carefully. I'm really impressed with how well written they are. >> >> >>What I >> >> >> *think* makes the most sense is to consolidate into fewer documents >> >>so >> >> >>that >> >> >> it's not necessary to look at so many seperate places. Here's what I >> >> >> propose: >> >> >> * merge the cordova-plugin-spec into the alunny/pluginstall README.md >> >> >> * merge the command line tooling design doc into the cordova-client >> >> >> README.md >> >> >> * pull apart the cordova/PluginDesign wiki page and merge parts of it >> >> >>into >> >> >> the above 2 docs >> >> >> >> >> >> I think what this gets us is 2 docs instead of 5, and it still >> >>maintains >> >> >> the nice loose coupling between alunny's pluginstall utility and the >> >> >>larger >> >> >> cordova-client. I'm assuming this separation was the original intent, >> >> >> rather than having one monolithic tool. >> >> >> >> >> >> Would love feedback on this, I don't want to waste time doing it and >> >> >>find >> >> >> out this isn't appropriate. :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Cordova-client depends on pluginstall. Pluginstall does the hard >> >>work >> >> >>>for >> >> >>> programmatic plugin installation, which is just one of the apis >> >> >>>available >> >> >>> in cordova-client. So, cordova=client "shells out" to pluginstall. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> The client also handles app creation, platform removal/addition, and >> >> >>> interpolating information from app's config.xml into the necessary >> >> >>>spots >> >> >>> in each native project. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On 8/31/12 12:32 PM, "Mike Reinstein" <reinstein.m...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >Hey Filip, >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >One thing I"m curious about, whats the difference between >> >> >>> >https://github.com/alunny/pluginstall and >> >> >>> >> >>>https://github.com/apache/incubator-cordova-labs/tree/cordova-client >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >there seems to be some overlap there. Is pluginstall a subset of >> >> >>> >functionality just related to plugins that has moved into >> >> >>>cordova-client >> >> >>> >or >> >> >>> >is it different? >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >It seems like cordova-client is the most mature codebase that >> >> >>>incorporates >> >> >>> >a lot of ideas, so I'm just chasing down code I'm finding to see if >> >> >>> >everythign is in cordova-client or not. Said differently, is it >> >>safe >> >> >>>to >> >> >>> >assume that just about all the worthwhile code is in >> >>cordova-client? >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >-Mike >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com> wrote: >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >> All looks good to me Mike. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> I think the "PluginDesign" wiki article would be a great place to >> >> >>> >> summarize / revamp all this info. Appreciate you tackling this! >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> On 8/31/12 11:59 AM, "Mike Reinstein" <reinstein.m...@gmail.com> >> >> >>>wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >Hey Filip, Brian: >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> >I think where I'd like to start is on documentation. I may be >> >>wrong >> >> >>> >>about >> >> >>> >> >this, but it seems like there are bits and pieces of docs in >> >> >>>various >> >> >>> >> >places, and some may be stale or irrelevant. Maybe a good start >> >>is >> >> >>>for >> >> >>> >>me >> >> >>> >> >to find all these pieces, consolidate into a "master" document, >> >>and >> >> >>> >>cull >> >> >>> >> >out the outdated bits? As a start, here's my rephrasing of the >> >> >>>various >> >> >>> >> >links, etc that you've sent to me. Please take a look and let me >> >> >>>know >> >> >>> >>if >> >> >>> >> >I've characterised the content/purpose of these various links: >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> >*The spec for how plugins are declared is here: >> >> >>> >> >https://github.com/alunny/cordova-plugin-spec >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> >The implementation that manages plugin usage is here: >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-cordova-labs/tree/cordova-client >> >> >>> >> >This project encompasses more than just plugins because it also >> >> >>>handles >> >> >>> >> >everything related to building, deploying, and managing cordova >> >> >>> >> >applications >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> >These plugins are most popular, and should ideally work with the >> >> >>> >> >cordova-client implemenation: >> >> >>> >> >http://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugins* >> >> >>> >> >* >> >> >>> >> >* >> >> >>> >> >This implementation by Drew was an initial proof of concept, >> >>which >> >> >>>only >> >> >>> >> >works for blackberry and has been abandoned in favor of >> >> >>>cordova-client, >> >> >>> >> >with much of his ideas having made it into cordova-client: >> >> >>> >> >https://github.com/deedubbu/cordova-blackberry-pluggable >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> >This doc contains some info on the format of the command line >> >> >>>interface >> >> >>> >> >and >> >> >>> >> >directory structure of cordova-client: >> >> >>> >> >http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/CommandLineToolingDesign >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> >This doc contains some documentation on Drew's old >> >>implementation, >> >> >>>and >> >> >>> >>is >> >> >>> >> >out of date now: >> >> >>> >> >http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/PluginDesign >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> >I want to emphasize that I'm just trying to get a handle on what >> >> >>>docs >> >> >>> >>are >> >> >>> >> >relevant and which links contain what. I'm not judging anyone's >> >> >>>work or >> >> >>> >> >anything like that. :) If I've got the wrong idea about what >> >>these >> >> >>> >>links >> >> >>> >> >represent or contain, _please_ let me know. >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> >-Mike >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> >* >> >> >>> >> >* >> >> >>> >> >* >> >> >>> >> >* >> >> >>> >> >* >> >> >>> >> >* >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> >On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com> >> >>wrote: >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> The cordova client CLI tooling top-level project goes >> >> >>>hand-in-hand >> >> >>> >>with >> >> >>> >> >> this spec. Code here: >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-cordova-labs.git;a=s >> >> >>>h >> >> >>> >> >>or >> >> >>> >> >> tlog;h=refs/heads/cordova-client >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> Essentially: vet the spec out to make sure popular plugins out >> >> >>>in the >> >> >>> >> >>wild >> >> >>> >> >> (see github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugins) work with this >> >>spec. >> >> >>>Do >> >> >>> we >> >> >>> >> >>need >> >> >>> >> >> to account for anything else? >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> I think the one outstanding question is how to handle >> >> >>>installation / >> >> >>> >> >> compatibility with different versions of cordova. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> Documentation for the tool as well as the spec (put it on the >> >> >>>wiki, >> >> >>> >> >> perhaps) would be awesome! >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> On 8/25/12 10:23 AM, "Mike Reinstein" >> >><reinstein.m...@gmail.com> >> >> >>> >>wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >Hi Brian, Filip, >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >Thanks for the pointers to those projects. I'd love to dig in >> >> >>>and >> >> >>> >>start >> >> >>> >> >> >helping, where do you feel the most help is needed at the >> >> >>>moment? >> >> >>> >> >> >Documentation? Any specific code tasks? >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >-Mike >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com> >> >> >>>wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> Also, this is the current de-facto plugin "spec" we are >> >> >>>working >> >> >>> >> >>towards: >> >> >>> >> >> >> https://github.com/alunny/cordova-plugin-spec >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> On 8/6/12 8:20 PM, "Brian LeRoux" <b...@brian.io> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >Hi Mike, you've come to the right place! Currently the >> >>plugin >> >> >>> >> >>tooling >> >> >>> >> >> >> >is being implemented by Anis, Fil, Michael, and myself. >> >> >>>(sorry >> >> >>> >>for >> >> >>> >> >>the >> >> >>> >> >> >> >delayed response / many of us are on a summer break after >> >> >>> >>shipping >> >> >>> >> >> >> >2.0) >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> >We're loosely collaborating using this list, git, and >> >>these >> >> >>>wiki >> >> >>> >> >>pages: >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> >- http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/PluginDesign >> >> >>> >> >> >> >- http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/CommandLineToolingDesign >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> >The dev is taking place a Cordova/Labs branch which you >> >>can >> >> >>> >>preview >> >> >>> >> >>on >> >> >>> >> >> >> >the Github mirror here: >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-cordova-labs/tree/cordova-client >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> >You will want to start by reading up on our contrib >> >>process >> >> >>>in >> >> >>> >>the >> >> >>> >> >> >>wiki: >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> >http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/ContributerWorkflow >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> >And in the case of labs projects everything stays on its >> >>own >> >> >>> >>branch >> >> >>> >> >> >> >until such a time that we feel its solid for its own repo. >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> >* * * >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> >Let me know any q's! >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >> >On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Mike Reinstein >> >> >>> >> >> >> ><reinstein.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> Hey there, >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> I'm interested in contributing to the plugin system >> >>that is >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>forthcoming. Is >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> this the right place to bring it up? Who are the right >> >> >>>people >> >> >>> >>to >> >> >>> >> >>talk >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>to? >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> Where do you need the most help? I'm an experienced >> >> >>>developer, >> >> >>> >> >>have >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>worked >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> on a few phonegap based projects, and would love to give >> >> >>>back >> >> >>> >>to >> >> >>> >> >>the >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> community. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> cheers, >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> -Mike >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
