This is often a problem if one insists on having every single dance have two
swings in it. Many, many dances get that by the circle left 3/4 route, and it
really gets old.
Here's a fairly simple dance I put together - I don't know if anyone else has
written it before as it is rather straightforward and the whole B is in other
dances, but since I didn't have another version I call it as this:
Magone's Maggot #3
Duple improper
March 30, 2001
A1 Long lines forward and back
Swing neighbor
A2 Women go forward, lure partner back
Swing partner
B1 Star right
Star left
B2 Promenade across
Women chain
Note: A2 is NOT a "Give and Take". I like to have the women use four counts to
go all the way over to the men, and then either take hands and draw them back
with four counts or lure them back with their eyes. I have never liked the give
and take move, the forward movement is stopped too soon, maybe only two steps,
people sort of crash into each other, just highly unsatisfying. Anyway, 2
swings if you must have them, and no circle.
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> 1. Circle left 3/4 (Kalia Kliban)
> 2. Re: Circle left 3/4 (Perry Shafran)
> 3. Re: Circle left 3/4 (Jack Mitchell)
> 4. Re: Circle left 3/4 (Kalia Kliban)
> 5. Re: Circle left 3/4 (frannie)
> 6. Re: Circle left 3/4 (Robert Golder)
> 7. Re: Circle left 3/4 (Donna Hunt)
> 8. Re: Circle left 3/4 (James Saxe)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 12:42:58 -0700
> From: Kalia Kliban <[email protected]>
> To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
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> I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra
> this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left
> 3/4". I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this
> otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching"
> by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle
> 3/4 is to the right) includes that move. Aargh.
>
> Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of
> the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?
>
> Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L 3/4)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Perry Shafran <[email protected]>
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Caller's discussion
> list <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
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> Here's one I wrote without a circle:
>
> Dayton 1.5?? Perry Shafran
>
> A1 Allem R N 1 1/2
> Men Al L 1 1/2
> A2 Bal & Sw P
> B1 Ladies DSD 1 1/2
> Sw P
> B2 R&L thru
> LH star
>
> The interesting thing is that I did not set out to have a dance without a
> circle, but that happened to be a nice byproduct of the choreography!
>
> Perry
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kalia Kliban <[email protected]>
> To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 3:42 PM
> Subject: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
>
>
> I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra
> this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left
> 3/4".? I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this
> otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching"
> by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle
> 3/4 is to the right) includes that move.? Aargh.
>
> Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of
> the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?
>
> Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L 3/4)
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> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:49:50 -0400
> From: Jack Mitchell <[email protected]>
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> Subject: Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
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> Here are a few without a CL 3/4 (or any circle at all). There are a
> bunch more but these are the first 4 that came to mind.
>
> *The Missing Piece*-- Bronwyn WoodsImproper
>
> *A1*N B&S
>
> *A2*Gents Alle L 1?
> P Sw
>
> *B1*LL F&B
> Ladies Chain
>
> *B2*Ring Balance, Petronella
> Ring Balance, Petronella
> [look for new neighbor -- behind you]
>
>
>
> *Punctuated Raindrops* -- Gene HubertImproper
>
> Notes: The timing is a bit tight in B1, so it may help to anticipate the
> start of the hey.Composed in Dec. '96 as a variation on my Dancing
> Raindrops.
>
> *A1*N Alle L 1?, Same N Alle R 1?
> to Wavy Line (Gents by LH in the middle)
>
> *A2*Wave Balance, Gents Alle L ? (quick alle -- 2 beats)
> P Sw
>
> *B1*LL F&B
> ? Hey
> catch partner by LH to swing the ladies into a wave (ladies in middle by RH)
>
> *B2*Wave Balance, Ladies Alle R ?
> N Sw
>
>
> *Salmonella Evening *- Steve Zakon-Anderson & Louie CromartieImproper
>
> *A1:*Neighbor Alle R 1?
> Gents Alle Left 1?
>
> *A2:*Partner Gypsy and Swing
>
> *B1:*Balance Ring, PetronellaTwirl
> Balance Ring, Petronella Twirl
>
> *B2:*Balance Ring, Petronella Twirl
> Balance Ring, Pass Thru Along the Set
>
>
> *Kitchen Stomp* - Becky HillImproper
>
> Tunes with punctuated four beat phrases in the Bs. Strong jigs or reels.
>
> *A1:*Neighbor Balance and Swing
>
> *A2:*Gents Alle Left 1?
> P Sw
>
> *B1:*Ladies Chain
> Balance the Ring, PetronellaTwirl
>
> *B2:*Balance the Ring, PetronellaTwirl
> LHS
>
>
>
> On 6/5/2013 3:42 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:
>> I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley
>> contra this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words
>> "circle left 3/4". I know there are dances where you don't do that,
>> but in this otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows
>> are Watching" by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in
>> which the cirle 3/4 is to the right) includes that move. Aargh.
>>
>> Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of
>> the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?
>>
>> Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle
>> L 3/4)
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> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 12:51:39 -0700
> From: Kalia Kliban <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected], Caller's discussion list
> <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
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> On the plus side, as I look more closely, the circle L 3/4 is followed
> by a quite different thing in each dance, so the transitions are
> different...
>
> On 6/5/2013 12:42 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:
>> I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra
>> this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left
>> 3/4". I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this
>> otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching"
>> by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle
>> 3/4 is to the right) includes that move. Aargh.
>>
>> Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of
>> the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?
>>
>> Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L
>> 3/4)
>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:53:49 -0700
> From: frannie <[email protected]>
> To: "Caller's discussion list" <[email protected]>,
> [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
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> Circle L 3/4 & swing, Circle L 3/4 & pass thru, Circle L 3/4 & balance the
> wave, Circle L 3/4 & balance the ring all feel just a little different.
> And it's better than having a program with all gents allemande L 1.5!
> I've had this problem before!
> ~ frannie
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:02:57 -0400
> From: Robert Golder <[email protected]>
> To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
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> There are many no-circle dances; "Flirtation Reel" by Tony Parkes is a modern
> classic. A special subset is no-circle Becket dances, which I started
> collecting a few years ago. It is always handy to have Becket dances that do
> NOT begin with "Circle left 3/4 to un-Becket?" You will find that Becket
> dances can start in a great variety of ways. "Tenth Year in Tommerup" by
> Linda Leslie is a good example (starts with gents allemande left). ? Bob
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:08:57 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Donna Hunt <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected], [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>
>
> Oh, yes, a pet peeve of mine (along with men allemande left 3/4). Sometimes
> it seems like every choreographer uses those too much. Here are some dances
> sans circles.
>
>
>
> Becketin the Kitchen by Becky Hill Becket 1/4 turn to right
>
> A1 Long Lines Fwd and Back
> LadiesChain
> A2Balance ring and Petronella twirl to right
> Balance ring and Petronella twirl to right
> B1 Star left 1x
> Swingnext neighbor
> B2 Men Allemande left 1 1/2
> SwingPartner
>
>
> Get MeGoing ? Lisa Greenleaf IMP
>
> A1 Balance and Swing Neighbor
> A2 Long Lines fwd and back
> Ladies Do si do 1 ?
> B1 Balance and Swing Partner
> B2 Ladies Chain
> Star Left 1x
>
>
> Hay inthe Barn ? Chart Guthrie Improper
> A1 Balance and Swing Neighbor
> A2 Ladies Chain
> Ladies start ? hey
> B1 Balance and Swing Partner
> B2 Ladies Chain
> Ladies start ? hey
>
>
>
> Shadrack?s Delight Tony Parkes Improper
> A1. 8 Neighbor do-si-do 1? to wave across
> (Ladiesin middle with left)
> 4,4 Balance, neighbor allem R ?
>
> A2. 4,4 Balance, gents allem L ?
> 8 Partner swing ? face down
>
> B1. 8 Down hall in line 4x4 ? turn as a couple
> 8 Up hall and bend the line (orig: middlescast up & around
> ends)
>
> B2. 8 R and L through
> 8 Ladies chain to neighbor
>
>
> Heritage Reel TonyParkes Improper
> A1. 4,12 Neighbor balance,& swing
>
> A2. 8 Long lines forward and back
> 8 Gents allem L 1?
>
> B1. 4,12 Partner balance, & swing
>
> B2. 8 R and L through
> 8 Ladies chain to neighbor
>
>
> Get Me Going ? Lisa Greenleaf Improper
> A1 Balance &Swing Neighbor
>
> A2 Long Lines fwd andback
> LadiesDo si do 1 ?
>
> B1 Balance &Swing Partner
>
> B2 Ladies Chain
> Star Left 1x
>
>
>
>
> Donna
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kalia Kliban <[email protected]>
> To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 5, 2013 3:43 pm
> Subject: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
>
>
> I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra
> this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left
> 3/4". I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this
> otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching"
> by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle
> 3/4 is to the right) includes that move. Aargh.
>
> Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of
> the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?
>
> Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L 3/4)
> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:19:41 -0700
> From: James Saxe <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected], Caller's discussion list
> <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>
> Kalia,
>
> There are lots of good dances out there that don't include
> "Circle left 3/4". See, for example, this message from the
> archive
>
> http://www.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers/2012-April/
> 004668.html
>
> in which Chris Page lists a bunch of dances that include a
> hey but not circle left (any amount) or ladies chain. (Some
> may include a circle right.)
>
> See also this archived message
>
> http://www.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers/2012-March/
> 004654.html
>
> in which I discuss why the figure
>
> * Circle left 3/4
>
> * Gents [or ladies] allemande 1 1/2
>
> and
>
> * Women chain
>
> tend to show up in a lot of dances and offer some examples of
> less common moves that achieve the same choreographic purpose,
> namely moving men or women, but not both, to the opposite side
> of the set, so that the dance can include both a partner swing
> and a neighbor swing.
>
> --Jim
>
> On Jun 5, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:
>
>> I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley
>> contra this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words
>> "circle left 3/4". I know there are dances where you don't do that,
>> but in this otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2
>> ("Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting
>> Frolic" in which the cirle 3/4 is to the right) includes that move.
>> Aargh.
>>
>> Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric
>> of the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers
>> crazy?
>>
>> Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without
>> circle L 3/4)
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers
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