Yeah, I don't understand the problem with no thumbs--I go out of my way to 
teach the no-thumb hold to beginners, mostly to avoid twisted thumbs from the 
person who doesn't let go in time. Is there some thought that it leads to the 
bent-wrist hold?

On Jun 26, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Jacob Bloom wrote:

> As for the no-thumb allemande: Years ago, I started having a problem with
> my left thumb aching for days after a dance, from the allemande lefts.
> This started almost 30 years ago, so I can't blame that problem on
> advancing age.  As far as I'm concerned, doing an allemande without locking
> thumbs is an improvement which has been made necessary by the modern
> tendency to do an allemande all the way around in four beats instead of six
> or eight.  I'm always delighted when I run into another dancer who gives me
> a no-thumb allemande.  Anything that prevents injury is a good thing.
> 
> Jacob Bloom
> [email protected]
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:03:40 -0700
>> From: Erik Hoffman <[email protected]>
>> To: jean francis <[email protected]>,     Caller's discussion list
>>        <[email protected]>
>> Subject:
>> 
>> Re: [Callers] First-time Contra Dancers and similar figures
>> 
>> [1]  An aside: many people call this the "wrist grip" form.  I encourage
>> us all to remove the word "grip" from out teaching lexicon, as gripping
>> has led to griping, and that (IMHO) horrid no-thumb allemande...  The
>> connection is through hooks and surfaces to lean on, not through
>> gripping.  And, although I don't like the no thumb allemande, when do I
>> teach this form of star, I encourage all five fingers, thumb included,
>> going over the top of the wrist in front - no grip.
>> 
>> erik hoffman
>> ~oakland, ca

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