I just wanted to chime in - not at anyone in particular at all - simply for those who may not consciously be thinking about it:
There are some of us who lurk and read, and for one or more of a multitude of reasons, only post occasionally. There are always a lot more people reading that are actually responding. (Some of us are still newish to the calling community and still forming opinions of everyone, too.) Warm regards, Ron Blechner On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:50 PM, lynn ackerson <[email protected]> wrote: > This reminds me a lot of a situation in one of the nearby communities. > There was a dancer who was openly rude to the other dancers and the callers > in particular. An example would be from the floor calling the caller a > Nazi. He was extremely disruptive, and I went to their board to request > they do something about it since I would not feel comfortable calling there > any more. They admitted that they had had a number of complaints about this > dancer, but because contra communities are so inclusive, they couldn't ask > him to leave. My question to them was whether it was more important to be > inclusive to a very disruptive dancer and in turn lose many dancers (both > new and long-term) due to his behavior; or ask him to leave for a period > such as 6 months and subsequently building their dance community or at > least reducing the probability of people (including callers) not returning. > > From:jean francis <[email protected]> > To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 8:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Callers] Community > > > "The ultimate result of shielding men from the results of folly is to fill > the world with fools." Herbert Spencer (1820-1903) > -------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 2/23/14, Chris Weiler (Home) <[email protected]> wrote: > > Subject: [Callers] Community > To: "Shared Weight" <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 1:45 PM > > Callers list members, > > First, let me apologize. Due to my health problems and the > recent arrival of my infant son, I have not been able to > give this list the attention it deserves. I have not been on > top of moderation requests and have not kept up with > conversations. The most I've been able to do, most of the > time, is read the subject lines. > > Now, I was very concerned when the tread titled "A Call For > Civility" hit my inbox and read it. Shortly after, I > received Greg McKenzie's unsubscription notification. I now > have been able to read the conversations leading up to that > thread. I've been struggling with how to respond to the > callers list community about this, but I can't let this go > any longer, so I'm just going to have to go with my gut and > stop trying to puzzle it out with my head. > > One of the things, actually it's the thing I love the most > about the contra dance community is it's inclusive and > tolerant nature. When I started dancing, I was socially > awkward and bumbling. The community welcomed me each week. I > made friends. I got better at social situations. I found a > home. I found love there on the dance floor. I have seen it > over and over again at dances: socially marginal people > being welcomed, tolerated and accommodated in ways that they > had never experienced anywhere else. This is the ideal that > makes our community special. This is why I dedicate myself > to creating this community wherever I live, dance or call. > It's why I started this list, so we could learn how to make > it better together. > > That's why I've been so disappointed with how Greg was > treated by this community. We are supposed to be the > leaders. We are supposed to be the bearers of the ideals and > show our dance communities how it's done. I've never really > understood the problems that people had with Greg. Yes, he > has strong opinions. Yes, he is socially awkward and doesn't > always communicate his intentions clearly. But I've always > found him to be straightforward with his opinions, positive > in his criticism, creative in his thinking and open to > feedback. He and I butted heads many times early in the list > history and over on trad-dance-callers. I've learned a lot > in my discussions with him and reading his posts. I never > took any of his criticisms personally, because he criticized > my ideas, not me. He challenged my thinking on this list and > I came out better for it. Not because he convinced me, but > because I thought through my ideas better and understood why > they were right. Although a lot of times, he convinced me to > change my ideas, too. > > As part of his social awkwardness, sometimes he crossed the > line in a post. Every time, when people pointed it out to > him, he apologized. Yes, he crossed the line when he > criticized the calling of people in an easily identifiable > video. But he apologized for it. Twice. And then was > repeatedly taken to task afterwards. Then talked about > derisively in the third person on-list. And he was right - > other people added the identifying names, not him. A > valuable voice in this community was driven out because his > intentions were misunderstood. Several disapproved of his > "tone". I'm not sure how people can interpret "tone" in an > e-mail. It's a medium fraught with opportunities for > misinterpretation. To think that you understand the "tone" > that the author was intending seems crazy to me. We have to > give each other the benefit of the doubt if we are going to > continue to be a healthy and supportive community. > > Now, I'm very sad to hear that people have decided not to > post because of Greg. I understand how hard it is to have > your ideas challenged and criticized. But I don't think that > I ever read a post of his that was purposefully > mean-spirited or an individual attack. If you have an > example of such and instance, then please forward it to me > off-list. Let's not start another public bash-fest. If you > have solid, factual criticisms of him, then I do want to > hear them. It's just that what is being said now isn't > justified by my experience with him. > > I encourage people to put their ideas forward. We're here to > find the best ideas here and make the dancer's experience > the best it can be. To become the best callers we can be, we > need ideas to be shared, discussed, challenged and debated > so we can find the best ones. We also need this to be a safe > place for people to ask their questions and share their > ideas, so keep being the positive, supportive community I > know you can be. > > We're better than this. We can have the free exchange of > ideas with the same acceptance and tolerance that we have on > the dance floor. This is what has made this list special for > the last 9 1/2 years. Let's not loose sight of what's > important. > > Chris Weiler > SharedWeight co-founder/moderator > Craftsbury, VT > > > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers >
