Hi, That is a somewhat familiar story from my point of view. I dance in a number of different folk dancing communities - a varied program here in Winnipeg. It's quite common, as people from one group attempt to get interest from other dancing groups, that some people know what they like and what they don't like, and that's that. For example, people who English country dance often don't like contra because of the increased exertion and tempo. Personally, I'm not much of a fan of triple minor dances. Everyone's got their thing. But there's always a reason for it. It could be a bad experience, or it could be a stylistic feature of a region, where everyone does a figure in a way you find unpleasant. Hard to say. To leave an event because someone programmed something you didn't like? ... I'm not sure to make of it. You don't like it you don't like it, I suppose.
We don't do Becket formation here at all, really. If someone left at the end of a night because of Becket formation, I would assume they didn't want to start learning new things late in the evening. Greg On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 3:01 PM, via Callers <[email protected] > wrote: > Send Callers mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Callers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Contra with Hey (jill allen via Callers) > 2. Re: Contra with Hey (Martha Wild via Callers) > 3. Becket Formation (Rich Sbardella via Callers) > 4. Re: Becket Formation (Bill Olson via Callers) > 5. Re: Becket Formation (Michael Fuerst via Callers) > 6. Re: Becket Formation (Mac Mckeever via Callers) > 7. Re: Becket Formation (Ron Blechner via Callers) > 8. Re: Becket Formation (Ron Blechner via Callers) > 9. Re: Becket Formation (Ryan Smith via Callers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 15:04:46 -0600 > From: jill allen via Callers <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Callers] Contra with Hey > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Here's something new: > > Signs of Life > duple improper contra > by Jill Allen > > A1 circle R X1, M allem L 1 1/2 to face P > A2 hey for 4, start by passing R > B1 gypsy and swing P (or B & S) > B2 circle L 3/4, balance the ring, calif twirl to face the next.. > > Also: > > Columbia Contra > duple improper contra > by Gene Hubert > > A1 Allem R N aprox 1 1/4, W allem L 1/2, allem R P X1 ending with Women > facing each other in the middle > A2 hey for 4, W pass L to begin > B1 B & S P > B2 W chain, star L > > I call both of these quite frequently. Both have timing which is > forgiving for beginners. > Jill Allen : ) > > > >> Hello Folks, > >> > > >> > I am relatively new at calling contras and I am looking for some asy > to intermediate contras to introduce the hey to a group that includes many > beginners. and/or club square dancers. > >> > > >> > "Butter" by Gene Hubert is my go to dance, but I am looking for a few > more. I like Butter because the flow from ladies chain into a RH hey is > great, and because all the other calls are introduced earlier in most > evening. > >> > > >> > I love simple, but different choreography, so I am open to most > suggestions. > >> > > >> > Rich Sbardella > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151209/06edc761/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:06:19 -0800 > From: Martha Wild via Callers <[email protected]> > To: jill allen <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Callers] Contra with Hey > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The first is very close to Bill Olson?s ?Perihelion? except for slightly > different A1. Probably easier than that one though. > > > > On Dec 9, 2015, at 1:04 PM, jill allen via Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Here's something new: > > > > Signs of Life > > duple improper contra > > by Jill Allen > > > > A1 circle R X1, M allem L 1 1/2 to face P > > A2 hey for 4, start by passing R > > B1 gypsy and swing P (or B & S) > > B2 circle L 3/4, balance the ring, calif twirl to face the next.. > > > > Also: > > > > Columbia Contra > > duple improper contra > > by Gene Hubert > > > > A1 Allem R N aprox 1 1/4, W allem L 1/2, allem R P X1 ending with Women > facing each other in the middle > > A2 hey for 4, W pass L to begin > > B1 B & S P > > B2 W chain, star L > > > > I call both of these quite frequently. Both have timing which is > forgiving for beginners. > > Jill Allen : ) > > > > > >>> Hello Folks, > >>> > > >>> > I am relatively new at calling contras and I am looking for some asy > to intermediate contras to introduce the hey to a group that includes many > beginners. and/or club square dancers. > >>> > > >>> > "Butter" by Gene Hubert is my go to dance, but I am looking for a > few more. I like Butter because the flow from ladies chain into a RH hey > is great, and because all the other calls are introduced earlier in most > evening. > >>> > > >>> > I love simple, but different choreography, so I am open to most > suggestions. > >>> > > >>> > Rich Sbardella > > _______________________________________________ > > Callers mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151209/600f919f/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:45:17 -0500 > From: Rich Sbardella via Callers <[email protected]> > To: "Caller's discussion list" <[email protected]> > Subject: [Callers] Becket Formation > Message-ID: > <CAE4BujLNt9vtXn_nJZmja1cKXuqeQk= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Folks, > > I was at a dance not too long ago, and as the caller (not me) invited > dancers to join the last dance of the night, he also declared it to be in > Becket formation. One visiting couple, who had been waiting eagerly for > the last dance , put on their jackets and left disappointed, stating that > they do not like Beckets. > > Perhaps because I am a square dance caller, I tend to program about 40% > Beckets in a contra evening. Is there a negative sentiment about Becket > formation among many dancers? If so, can someone explain the reason? > > Rich > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151210/a3a9491e/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:20:27 +0000 > From: Bill Olson via Callers <[email protected]> > To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Becket Formation > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Wow, maybe that couple didn't actually know what Becket Formation was? > > bill > > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:45:17 -0500 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Callers] Becket Formation > From: [email protected] > > Folks, > I was at a dance not too long ago, and as the caller (not me) invited > dancers to join the last dance of the night, he also declared it to be in > Becket formation. One visiting couple, who had been waiting eagerly for > the last dance , put on their jackets and left disappointed, stating that > they do not like Beckets. > Perhaps because I am a square dance caller, I tend to program about 40% > Beckets in a contra evening. Is there a negative sentiment about Becket > formation among many dancers? If so, can someone explain the reason? > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151210/51766206/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:22:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: Michael Fuerst via Callers <[email protected]> > To: Bill Olson <[email protected]>, Caller's discussion list > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Becket Formation > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Or maybe they were confusing Becket with gypsy....?Michael Fuerst ? ? ?802 > N Broadway ? ? ?Urbana IL 61801????? 217 239 5844 > > > On Thursday, December 10, 2015 2:20 PM, Bill Olson via Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > #yiv5709207139 #yiv5709207139 --.yiv5709207139hmmessage > P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv5709207139 > body.yiv5709207139hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv5709207139 > Wow, maybe that couple didn't actually know what Becket Formation was? > ? > bill > ? > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:45:17 -0500 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Callers] Becket Formation > From: [email protected] > > Folks, > I was at a dance not too long ago, and as the caller (not me) invited > dancers to join the last dance of the night, he also declared it to be in > Becket formation.? One visiting couple, who had been waiting eagerly for > the last dance , put on their jackets and left disappointed, stating that > they do not like Beckets. > Perhaps because I am a square dance caller, I tend to program about 40% > Beckets in a contra ?evening.? Is there a negative sentiment about Becket > formation among many dancers?? If so, can someone explain the reason? > Rich > _______________________________________________Callers mailing listCallers > @lists.sharedweight.nethttp:// > lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151210/f2db53bd/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:30:36 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mac Mckeever via Callers <[email protected]> > To: Bill Olson <[email protected]>, Caller's discussion list > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Becket Formation > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The only thing I can imagine is that many Becket dances leave the minor > set - making them slightly more complex.? Perhaps they had some bad > experiences with a couple dances and haven't given them another chance. > They seem to be different - even though they really aren't - maybe they > are just more comfortable with what they are used to. > > I would think a Becket is a good choice for a final dance because they can > end with a partner swing - an nice way to end the last dance. > Mac McKeever > > From: Bill Olson via Callers <[email protected]> > To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Callers] Becket Formation > > #yiv5824956374 #yiv5824956374 --.yiv5824956374hmmessage > P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv5824956374 > body.yiv5824956374hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv5824956374 > Wow, maybe that couple didn't actually know what Becket Formation was? > ? > bill > ? > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:45:17 -0500 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Callers] Becket Formation > From: [email protected] > > > > Folks, > I was at a dance not too long ago, and as the caller (not me) invited > dancers to join the last dance of the night, he also declared it to be in > Becket formation.? One visiting couple, who had been waiting eagerly for > the last dance , put on their jackets and left disappointed, stating that > they do not like Beckets. > Perhaps because I am a square dance caller, I tend to program about 40% > Beckets in a contra ?evening.? Is there a negative sentiment about Becket > formation among many dancers?? If so, can someone explain the reason? > Rich > _______________________________________________Callers mailing listCallers > @lists.sharedweight.nethttp:// > lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151210/7925419a/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:54:12 -0500 > From: Ron Blechner via Callers <[email protected]> > To: Mac Mckeever <[email protected]> > Cc: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Becket Formation > Message-ID: > <CALf+g+7VE9VtDi7VQA_Sp09kBWdd5-3u=-r8VUdgokaoM= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Whoa. Weird story, Mac. Baffled > On Dec 10, 2015 3:30 PM, "Mac Mckeever via Callers" < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > The only thing I can imagine is that many Becket dances leave the minor > > set - making them slightly more complex. Perhaps they had some bad > > experiences with a couple dances and haven't given them another chance. > > > > They seem to be different - even though they really aren't - maybe they > > are just more comfortable with what they are used to. > > > > I would think a Becket is a good choice for a final dance because they > can > > end with a partner swing - an nice way to end the last dance. > > > > Mac McKeever > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Bill Olson via Callers <[email protected]> > > *To:* Caller's discussion list <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 2:20 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Becket Formation > > > > Wow, maybe that couple didn't actually know what Becket Formation was? > > > > bill > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:45:17 -0500 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Callers] Becket Formation > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > I was at a dance not too long ago, and as the caller (not me) invited > > dancers to join the last dance of the night, he also declared it to be in > > Becket formation. One visiting couple, who had been waiting eagerly for > > the last dance , put on their jackets and left disappointed, stating that > > they do not like Beckets. > > > > Perhaps because I am a square dance caller, I tend to program about 40% > > Beckets in a contra evening. Is there a negative sentiment about Becket > > formation among many dancers? If so, can someone explain the reason? > > > > Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Callers mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Callers mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151210/9a8b92b5/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:57:28 -0500 > From: Ron Blechner via Callers <[email protected]> > To: Mac Mckeever <[email protected]> > Cc: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Becket Formation > Message-ID: > < > calf+g+5tmib7wgl9z1w8fhtfbrpte3xlsvd4uirp_jy-4k6...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Sorry, I meant Rich. > On Dec 10, 2015 3:54 PM, "Ron Blechner" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Whoa. Weird story, Mac. Baffled > > On Dec 10, 2015 3:30 PM, "Mac Mckeever via Callers" < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> The only thing I can imagine is that many Becket dances leave the minor > >> set - making them slightly more complex. Perhaps they had some bad > >> experiences with a couple dances and haven't given them another chance. > >> > >> They seem to be different - even though they really aren't - maybe they > >> are just more comfortable with what they are used to. > >> > >> I would think a Becket is a good choice for a final dance because they > >> can end with a partner swing - an nice way to end the last dance. > >> > >> Mac McKeever > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> *From:* Bill Olson via Callers <[email protected]> > >> *To:* Caller's discussion list <[email protected]> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 2:20 PM > >> *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Becket Formation > >> > >> Wow, maybe that couple didn't actually know what Becket Formation was? > >> > >> bill > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:45:17 -0500 > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [Callers] Becket Formation > >> From: [email protected] > >> > >> > >> > >> Folks, > >> > >> I was at a dance not too long ago, and as the caller (not me) invited > >> dancers to join the last dance of the night, he also declared it to be > in > >> Becket formation. One visiting couple, who had been waiting eagerly for > >> the last dance , put on their jackets and left disappointed, stating > that > >> they do not like Beckets. > >> > >> Perhaps because I am a square dance caller, I tend to program about 40% > >> Beckets in a contra evening. Is there a negative sentiment about > Becket > >> formation among many dancers? If so, can someone explain the reason? > >> > >> Rich > >> > >> _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Callers mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Callers mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151210/b7e0566a/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:59:37 -0500 > From: Ryan Smith via Callers <[email protected]> > To: "Caller's discussion list" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Becket Formation > Message-ID: > < > cadqhjvtttvz9zr-w0wgdke--hamefjmpqfksqs+wgxtnmp1...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > As Mac pointed out, becket dances can be more complex/confusing. Removing > a need to separate you from your partner at the end of the dance, allows > for some choreographic flexibility. All the same, most beckets are not > notably more complex/confusing than most improper contras. > > My guesses are: > 1 - this couple had a bad experience that they associate with 'becket > formation' rather than whatever confounding factors go into making a dance > experience pleasant or unpleasant > 2 - was this a contra event (all duple-minors all the time) or a more > varied program? Maybe the couple doesn't like contras much? > 3 - Maybe they are confusing it with some other formation (sicilian, 4 face > 4, squares, triplets, etc.) > > --Ryan Smith > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151210/fbf6e89b/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Callers Digest, Vol 20, Issue 5 > ************************************** >
