My first guess isbthatvthey were not overly familiar with what a Becket dance 
is. Recently I asked a person to dance who had been coming fairly frequently 
for a few weeks after the caller announced it was a Becket.  He was going to 
sit out because he didn't know what a Becket dance was.  Some callers don't say 
Becket,  they just say turn your circles one place to the left/right.  As the 
last dance of the evening,  I would hope the call didn't have anything too 
complex (a major programming flaw in my book).
To address comments in the email below ...
1. Diaganol figures ... Except maybe slice left to a new couple,  I can't think 
of much I would consider for a last dance. Last dances should be relatively 
simple so dancers can enjoy the music and the flow. 
2. Debecketize maneuver ... I find this slightly annoying when callers say 
"like all Becket dances" circle left and pass through. I hate more when they 
either skip that part entirely in the walk through or start it un Becketized 
and then tell you afterwards that it is Becket. If you don't teach the walk 
through the way the dance is actually danced, you very well could have confused 
newer dancers,  especially. 
Since he is unlikely to say anything himself,  I will point out that the "as 
with all Becket dances" comment was so annoying that Cary Ravitz once called an 
entire evening where none of the Becket dances have that progression ... None!  
And as most of you probably know,  he writes a lot of Becket dances. 
Partner swings at the end of the dance. .. To me that is the number one reason 
to have a Becket dance,  especially as the last dance.  You get to end with 
your partner and the caller doesn't have to break the moment to fudge the end 
to make you end with your partner. That being said,  I do know a couple Beckets 
that do not end that way.  Cary's Autumn Air is a pretty easy Becket that does 
not end with a partner swing. 
3.  If callers fudge the end of a duple improper dance to make it end with your 
partner, it is generally their responsibility to make sure it works smoothly. 
Most choreographers do not include an alternate ending to suggest how to make 
this work, so it is on the caller to figure it out.   If poorly done, it can be 
really disappointing. 
Janet
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-------- Original message --------
From: Neal Schlein via Callers <[email protected]> 
Date: 12/10/2015  8:25 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To:  
Cc: callers <[email protected]> 
Subject: Re: [Callers] Becket Formation 

Actually, I can see this.
As others suggested, it is probably a matter of the couple's prior poor 
experiences with dances in Beckets.  That said, there are two fairly common 
tendencies in Becket formation choreography which are somewhat aggravating and 
another which absolutely drives me up a wall.  Other callers and dancers don't 
seem to mind so much, but were it possible I would completely avoid the dances 
which have the last one.
1. The first tendency has to do with diagonal figures, even though I like them 
myself.  They are often scrunched and uncomfortable, particularly right and 
left throughs; people run into each other.  Add to this the slight 
disorientation for someone not used to diagonal figures, and it can be 
unpleasant.  In a nice open hall, they're perfectly fine.  Not a problem so 
much with the formation as with the fact that everyone is in the middle all at 
once and it's confusing.
2. The second is what I like to call the "DeBecketize Manuever."  How many 
beckets start with, "Circle left 3/4 (and usually swing your neighbor" and end 
with "Partner swing on the side!"  (answer: TOO MANY)  If all you are going to 
do with the first move is take the dance out of Becket, it seems like a cheap 
trick done just to make the dance "different."  Again, not an inherent problem 
of the formation, just a problem of choreographic selection.
3. The third choreographic tendency is often tied to dances which feature 
swings at the end of the dance: partial or non progression.    This problem, 
unlike the others, is actually made possible because of the formation: such a 
difficulty isn't possible in a regular duple minor, and it drives me absolutely 
NUTS.  I have experienced a number of dances in which the caller instructs the 
dancers to "fudge" or "maneuver" or "sludge" or some such to make the dance 
work.  The contra doesn't actually progress the couples down the line, but 
leaves them 1/2 progressed or non-progressed--usually swinging partners on the 
outside, but not always.  Sliding up the outside from a circle is one thing; 
swinging on the outside and fudging down the hall is another.
The annoyance of a non-progression can be mitigated if the caller teaches it 
well (end facing across, look left and...), but to me the partial progression 
problem always jars and simply seems to be excessively lazy choreography.Beak
Neal SchleinYouth Services Librarian, Mahomet Public Library

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On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:26 PM, John W Gintell via Callers 
<[email protected]> wrote:
My favorite progression requires Becket  formation: circle left and then slide 
up/down and circle with the next pair.





> On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Greg Allan via Callers 
> <[email protected]> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> That is a somewhat familiar story from my point of view. I dance in a number 
> of different folk dancing communities - a varied program here in Winnipeg. 
> It's quite common, as people from one group attempt to get interest from 
> other dancing groups, that some people know what they like and what they 
> don't like, and that's that. For example, people who English country dance 
> often don't like contra because of the increased exertion and tempo. 
> Personally, I'm not much of a fan of triple minor dances. Everyone's got 
> their thing. But there's always a reason for it. It could be a bad 
> experience, or it could be a stylistic feature of a region, where everyone 
> does a figure in a way you find unpleasant. Hard to say. To leave an event 
> because someone programmed something you didn't like? ... I'm not sure to 
> make of it. You don't like it you don't like it, I suppose.

>

> We don't do Becket formation here at all, really. If someone left at the end 
> of a night because of Becket formation, I would assume they didn't want to 
> start learning new things late in the evening.

>

> Greg

>

>



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