Yes, I’ve been trying to replace the G word with spiral and dancers find it 
confusing and are not happy about it. Others have tried other words and as far 
as I can tell the reception is the same.
Martha

> On Jan 27, 2017, at 12:08 AM, Jim Hemphill via Callers 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> You can teach and call contra dances positionally without hurting anyones 
> feelings. We are all human beings, I find it objectionable to be referred to 
> as some form of rock or bird or whatever.
> 
> The role a dancer chooses is really defined by which side of their 
> partnership they choose to start the dance or end a swing on.  Working from 
> that basis just about any contra move can be taught or called without 
> reference to gender.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:01 PM, via Callers <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> I have been calling at many venues over the years and using the role terms 
> "gents" and "ladies" has NOT been a problem.  When teaching, I explain these 
> DO NOT refer to gender but rather to the role you are dancing.  Beginners 
> seem to understand and not have any problem.  The experienced dancers are 
> very helpful as well.  I agree with Donna in the aspect of teaching a new 
> vocabulary that goes with a movement with new words that don't have any 
> relationship to the moves is confusing enough to me, who understands the 
> process.  Throw all this at new dancers who move from venue to venue where 
> the terms change, makes my head hurt as well.  There is an old saying "If it 
> ain't broke, don't fix it!"  Maybe we should all rethink this.
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donna Hunt via Callers <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> To: contraron <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>; babsgroh 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Cc: callers <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2017 12:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Another vote for "jets" and "rubies"
> 
> I'm sad to hear that so many groups are using different role terms and such a 
> variety to boot.  Not only do our beginners have to learn a brand new 
> vocabulary (sometimes in a foreign language) and then remember the movement 
> to go with those new words, but now they have to deal with remembering a role 
> that there's no basis for, and that role term changes at different dance 
> locations.  Augh my head hurts just thinking about it.
> 
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Blechner via Callers <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> To: Barbara Groh <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Cc: callers <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2017 3:37 am
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Another vote for "jets" and "rubies"
> 
> Let's please not presume to speak for the feelings of marginalized groups?
> 
> Not thinking something is a problem because it doesn't affect you personally 
> is super privileged.
> 
> Ron Blechner
> 
> On Jan 25, 2017 1:36 PM, "Barbara Groh via Callers" 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
> wrote:
> Michael, if this view makes you a Luddite, sign me up as a member of the 
> Luddite Club.  I think it's realistic to say that the members of all the 
> contra, English, and Square Dance groups will NEVER all agree on which 
> alternative terms to use for ladies and gents, so all these new terms being 
> bounced around will only cause confusion (and some eye-rolling). 
> 
> You've already made a solid argument for the Luddite position, so I won't say 
> anything more....except this:  Please, let's not start an argument over 
> whether it's pejorative to use the term Luddite!
> 
> Barbara Groh
> 
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Michael Barraclough via Callers 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
> wrote:
> I guess that I am a Luddite. Here's how I see it.
> 
> Somewhere between 80-90% of the population is 'straight'. Surely, we
> want these people as well to come to our dances.  It can be difficult enough 
> to get past the dance lingo without adding the complexity of renaming labels 
> for people that almost everyone already understands. To me, what really 
> matters is that we run dances where everyone accepts everyone else's 
> sexuality; where individual dancers can feel free to dance either role; where 
> everyone is welcome. I am not convinced that 'non-straight' individuals are 
> put off by the historical labels that we use, rather the lack of the 3 
> conditions that I have just outlined. 
> 
> Census data show the U.S. adult population is about 239m. Searching the
> web I can find around 300 contra dances, 150 English Country Dances and
> 1000 MWSD clubs. My generous guess is that less than 100,000 people go
> to these dances, less than 50,000 if we ignore MWSD. Did you know that over 
> 700,000 people in the U.S. own a ferret? That means there are 7x as many 
> people in the USA who own a ferret compared to the number of people who go to 
> our dances! 
> 
> Let's put less rather than more barriers in the way of getting those
> who don't dance with us (that's 99.6% of the population) to join us.
> 
> Michael Barraclough
> www.michaelbarraclough.com <http://www.michaelbarraclough.com/>
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2017-01-24 at 16:19 -0500, Ron Blechner via Callers wrote:
> > I know I'd appreciate it if people had new suggestions, they'd review
> > existing considerations for what makes terms usable. Things like 1:2
> > syllable ratio, distinct vowel sounds - these disqualify a lot of
> > terms as being unfeasible for the same reason "bare arms / arm bands"
> > as terms are not preferable. The PDF spreadsheet that Dugan linked is
> > the result of my study with teamwork and sourcing from many dancers.
> >
> > Best,
> > Ron Blechner
> >
> >
> > On Jan 20, 2017 7:28 PM, "Keith Tuxhorn via Callers" <[email protected] 
> > <mailto:[email protected]>
> > haredweight.net <http://haredweight.net/>> wrote:
> > > This conversation exhausts me,  even though I know and accept it's
> > > all part of the folk process.
> > >
> > > So I will make my one contribution... two terms I thought of a
> > > couple weeks ago.
> > >
> > > Mun and Wem.
> > >
> > > They sound enough like the current terms that the brains of both
> > > callers and dancers can make an easy transition. They're made-up
> > > words, so they have no gender. And they're short. And easy to say.
> > >
> > > Mun and Wem.
> > >
> > > Okay, I've done my bit.
> > >
> > > Keith Tuxhorn
> > > Springfield IL
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Dugan Murphy via Callers <callers@
> > > lists.sharedweight.net <http://lists.sharedweight.net/>> wrote:
> > > > Since it was an article about my dance series that started this
> > > > conversation about role terms, I'll offer that the primary reason
> > > > we chose "jets" and "rubies" as gender-free terms is so that
> > > > regular contra dancers from other places can come in and dance
> > > > without needing anything to be explained to them since the terms
> > > > are pretty similar to "gents" and "ladies."  
> > > >
> > > > We also took a look at this graphic of Ron Blechner's analysis of
> > > > gender-free role terms people have been talking about: http://amh 
> > > > <http://amh/>
> > > > erstcontra.org/ContraDanceRoleTerms.pdf 
> > > > <http://erstcontra.org/ContraDanceRoleTerms.pdf>
> > > >
> > > > We may not use "jets" and "rubies" forever, but we figured we'd
> > > > give it a try.  There didn't seem to be any reasons not to try
> > > > and there are certainly plenty of reasons to try.  
> > > >
> > > > Most men at our dance dance as jets and most women dance as
> > > > rubies, but for the few who dance opposite, switch around, or
> > > > whose gender expression doesn't fit the man/woman binary, I'd
> > > > like to think that formally separating dance roles from gender is
> > > > validating in a meaningful way.
> > > >
> > > > Dugan Murphy
> > > > Portland, Maine
> > > > dugan at duganmurphy.com <http://duganmurphy.com/>
> > > >
> > > > www.DuganMurphy.com <http://www.duganmurphy.com/>
> > > > www.PortlandIntownContraDance.com 
> > > > <http://www.portlandintowncontradance.com/>
> > > > www.NufSed.consulting <http://www.nufsed.consulting/>
> > > >
> > > >
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