Regarding Chicago's Queer Contra: The principal organizer moved away and a few folks are trying to revive it. There they were using bands and bares and I spoke with many that, though the gender-neutral tone was awesome, as a general consensus the words bands and bares sound exactly the same thru a mic. Cara (Chicago)
Sent to you using thumbs. > On Feb 1, 2017, at 10:09, Donna Hunt via Callers > <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > > Amy, that's exactly why I'm wondering from those of us on sharedweight who > might be reluctant to reply. If there's not enough folks willing to post > their information then it's probably not worth putting in the effort to > create the document. > > I agree with you completely about the "pressure". There's a lot of push back > on this list when we voice concerns and opinions. Personally I think we > should be kinder with those who are responding. There are many people who > don't reply on this list and I personally believe it's because of the > "pressure" and aggressive replies when different opinions are raised. > > > Donna > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Wimmer <amywim...@gmail.com> > To: Donna Hunt <dhuntdan...@aol.com> > Cc: jeff <j...@alum.swarthmore.edu>; Dave Casserly > <david.j.casse...@gmail.com>; callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2017 12:32 pm > Subject: Re: [Callers] Another vote for "jets" and "rubies" > > Donna, > I can imagine a scenario in which organizers would be shy to share this > information for fear of retaliation or pressure from those who want them to > change their practices. Having received such pressure, personally, I am sure > it will happen to others. I'm not saying all pressure to change is bad, but > that some people don't like being pushed. It is a (smallish) issue around the > term "gypsy" in my neck of the woods. > -Amy > > On Jan 31, 2017 6:39 AM, "Donna Hunt via Callers" > <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > If we were creating a doc for attendance and opening it up to the "world of > contra dances organizers" to comment why not add some other categories that > we've been discussing? > > Linda Leslie suggested the Organizers group might have stats. I'm wondering > if CDSS keeps any? > > When Jeff replied to my query about LGBTQ dances and groups using non-gender > terminology I wasn't at all surprised to see the list (since I know most of > those groups), but I was surprised to realize that there were no groups in > other major cities throughout the country. > > Topics that might be on the Doc: > Dance Organizations that use non-gender terminology > Dance Organizations that have considered but decided not to use non-gender > terminology > Dance Organizations that have decided to use a non "gypsy" terminology > Dance Organizations that have considered but decided not to use non "gypsy" > terminology > > There could be a write in section where Dance Organizations could state which > terms they use. > > I would request that the attendance be under 25, 26-50, 51-75, 76-100, etc. > Or even increments of 20. There are several small groups in this country > that survive with under 20 attendance and other groups where a drop in 25 > dancers means serious financial hardship. > > Dave is concerned that groups might be wary about posting such information. > Are there groups represented on this list that might NOT participate in this > information gathering? Seems useless to even create the Doc unless folks are > willing to post the data. > > Donna Hunt > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Casserly via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > To: Jeff Kaufman <j...@alum.swarthmore.edu> > Cc: callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2017 4:12 pm > Subject: Re: [Callers] Another vote for "jets" and "rubies" > > What if we made a Google doc with more vague categories where dances could > self-report their attendance? Something like, a column for the state where > the dance is located, a column for 2015 average attendance, all done in > ranges of 1-50, 51-100, etc, and another column for 2017 attendance, with the > same ranges? I think that would be useful for purposes of knowing how many > dances are suffering declining attendance, and where those dances are, but > wouldn't give out enough specific information to make organizers queasy about > publicly releasing data. > >> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Jeff Kaufman via Callers >> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> For attendance, what I would love to see is dances making their >> attendance numbers fully public. Something like a googledocs >> spreadsheet that anyone can view where you put in attendance numbers. >> >> (I've advocated for this, internally to BIDA, for years >> (unsuccessfully). We do have a sheet like this, but it's not public.) >> >> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Linda Leslie via Callers >> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> > It may be that the Organizers’ List for Shared Weight may have this kind of >> > data. >> > Linda >> > >> > On Jan 30, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers >> > <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> > >> > No, I haven't seen statistical analysis of this. Maybe it's worthwhile for >> > this to be polled out to various dances. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > Ron >> > >> > On Jan 30, 2017 10:54 AM, "Donna Hunt" <dhuntdan...@aol.com> wrote: >> > >> > Just getting back to this thread, lots to catch up on. >> > >> > Jeff and Ron: You both seem like the statisticians here. Is there any >> > data >> > that reflects where in the country the LGBTQ gender-free dances are and >> > where the communities that use gender-free terminology are? >> > >> > Just curious. >> > >> > Ron: When you say that local dances attendance is down is there data about >> > that compared to dances where attendance is not down? Again, looking for >> > information country wide or even geographic area. >> > >> > Thanks >> > Donna Hunt >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Callers mailing list >> > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net >> > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Callers mailing list >> > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net >> > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers@lists.sharedweight.net >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > > -- > David Casserly > (cell) 781 258-2761 > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net
