lol....whatever! that was my 2 cents worth! And it felt good letting it all out of my system! I now live in a country with free speech! Please just bleep out the swear words when you read it! Then we shouldnt have a problem with it hey? lol.
On Aug 29, 1:11 am, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please refrain from using foul language! I beg your pardon! > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: DAZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 12:49:27 AM > Subject: RE: Khmer Rouge victims given a voice in Cambodia trials. > > fuck all these debates! Nothing is gonna change! Fuck thais..fuck viets..and > fuck cambodian politics...Im sick to death with hearing this shit all the > fuckin time! > who gives a fuck now! Im khmer and our country has alot of issues cuz fuckin > politics are greedy! > They dont care about the people! And fuck man...I know ive escaped the > genocide of pol pot..but fuck sakes...how many pol pot souljahs had compared > to those who were killed? why didnt the innocent khmais just gang bash those > pol pot fuckers? they wouldve easily out numbered those fuckaz...but > instead..they rather get killed! > > I lost most of my family in that war! But the past is the past! Lets just > live our lives! Cuz whether u like it or not! this world is guna end with a > war that will never end between the americans and the muslim society! > Fuck em all! khmer rouge supporters can suck on my cambodian cock! Thais can > be ladyboys for the westerners..and viets...you guys are pathetic also! > ur country is like ours anyways...so dont think ur better than us khmers! > Least we have alot of history behind us! what is vietnam known for? The world > only knows vietnam for the war u pussies had! > we are known for the historical temples...our empire of south east asia! BEAT > THAT FUCKHEADS! > > GO EAT A DICK! > > PEACE OUT YALL! > > ________________________________ > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:37:13 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Khmer Rouge victims given a voice in Cambodia trials. > To: [email protected] > > But Thailand wants our land and temples! > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: kangaroo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org<[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 12:27:26 AM > Subject: Re: Khmer Rouge victims given a voice in Cambodia trials. > > No, Cambodians need to join Thailand because their leadership under > great Thai monarchy will bring peace to Cambodia instead of fighting > each other. > The threat of theCambodian people are Vietnamese or any outside > influences. It is the people of Cambodia themselves. They have been > destroying their own country for a very long time. > It was not the Vietnamese who destroyed Cambodia. > It is the Cambodians themselves. > > On Aug 27, 4:16 pm, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If Cambodia seeks to become China's little brother. Do we really need to > > worry about the Siems and the Yuons? > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Mekong River <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:23:49 PM > > Subject: Re: Khmer Rouge victims given a voice in Cambodia trials. > > > Ly Monysar - I have been very frustrated to see the snail-pace trial taking > > place. But I say to you now there is no time for revenge among Khmer.. We > > must move on. It is very disturbing to read your thirst for revenge. > > Reconiliation doesn't start with talk of revenge like this. > > > > It happened 30 years ago. Time is also a kind of medicine in the healing > > process. I advocate the trial, albeit imperfect, but let's be realistic, we > > would have no cells for the Ex-KR cadres. A few top people would be enough > > for me. Then some form of truth finding commission should be set up for > > serious historical study so Khmer can learn from the past. > > > > The survival of the Khmer nation now is at stake - much more important than > > the trial. The siems and the yuons are threatening our survival on a daily > > basis. > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If Sok Chear had her way, she would slice the elderly man into ribbons and > > pour salt into his wounds. She would beat him up and torture him and give > > him electric shocks to make him talk. > > For Ly Monysar, "Only killing them will make me feel calm. I want them to > > suffer the way I suffered. I say this from the heart." > > Sok Chear, an office worker, and Ly Monysar, a security guard, are two of > > the millions of Cambodians who suffered for four years in the late 1970s > > under the brutal Communist Khmer Rouge, who caused the deaths of 1.7 > > million people. > > Today, three decades later, five aging former Khmer Rouge leaders have been > > arrested and are awaiting trial. And Sok Chear and Ly Monysar have an > > innovative role to play in the tribunal, where the first case is expected > > to get under way this autumn. > > They are two of hundreds of people who have applied to the court to be > > recognized officially as victims of the Khmer Rouge and to bring parallel > > civil cases against them. > > They will have the chance, not to beat and torture them but to seek > > symbolic reparations - a monument, perhaps, or a museum or a trauma center. > > It is a controversial experiment in this unusual hybrid tribunal, which is > > administered jointly by the United Nations and the Cambodian government, > > cobbling together elements of both local and international law. > > "For the first time in history the internal rules of a tribunal will give > > victims of crimes the possibility to participate as parties," said Gabriela > > González Rivas, deputy head of the tribunal's victims unit. > > Victims have been included in other comparable tribunals like the > > International Court of Justice, but their role has been more limited. > > As civil parties, the victims here will have standing comparable to those > > of the accused, including the rights to participate in the investigation, > > to be represented by a lawyer, to call witnesses and to question the > > accused at trial, according to a court statement. > > "Participation in these types of proceedings is a tool of empowerment," > > Rivas said. "People can tell their story, feel that what happened to them > > is a consideration, a recognizing that what happened to them shouldn't > > have happened." > > The inclusion of victims is part of the evolution and refining of the > > mechanisms of international justice, said Diane Orentlicher, special > > counsel of the Open Society Justice Initiative, in an interview by > > telephone from New York. > > "There has been a growing recognition, after 15 years of international and > > hybrid courts like this one, not to exclude victims from the justice that > > is being dispensed on their behalf," she said. "This is one of the frontier > > issues in ongoing efforts to improve ways in which war crimes trials are > > carried out." > > The Cambodia tribunal has been criticized for compromising international > > standards of justice with its awkward admixture of Cambodian law and its > > vulnerability to manipulation by the country's strongman, Prime Minister > > Hun Sen. > > The participation of victims is drawing more criticism, partly from people > > concerned for the rights of the accused and the preservation of the > > presumption of innocence. > > Victor Koppe, a defense attorney for one of the Khmer Rouge leaders, called > > the presumption of innocence "the most fundamental issue" in a case whose > > defendants have already found a place in history books as the perpetrators > > of the killings. > > "The question is whether or not everything in this tribunal is > > institutionalized in such a way that only guilty verdicts can come," > > he said. > > Other critics say the court is being distracted by social agendas from its > > core task of seeking justice for crimes against humanity. > > "I would put this under the category of therapeutic legalism," said Peter > > Maguire, a specialist in international justice and author of "Facing Death > > in Cambodia." > > "The task of an international criminal court is to convict the guilty and > > exonerate the innocent," he said. "To ask more of it than that is asking > > way too much of any criminal trial." > > For many people, though, these related benefits are the main purpose of the > > trials in a country that has never fully come to grips with its > > tormented past. > > The trials will offer a catharsis and a measure of healing, they say, and > > will set a base line for an end to impunity in this still raw and sometimes > > lawless country. > > "This is an invention of the 1990s where people freighted the trials with > > all this baggage," said Maguire. "How do you measure closure, how do you > > measure truth, how do you measure reconciliation? These are not > > empirical categories." > > These added elements can also encumber an already tortuously slow process, > > the critics say. > > Almost two years of the tribunal's budgeted three-year mandate have passed > > since it was set up in August 2006, after nearly a decade of contentious > > negotiation between the United Nations and the Cambodian government. > > Nearly a year has passed since the first of the five defendants was charged > > in the case.. A new budget has been submitted, and most analysts are > > confident that more money will be found from international donors to extend > > the life of the tribunal. But as Maguire put it, this court needs to > > get hustling. > > So far, Rivas said, her office is processing about 1,300 applications to > > participate from people who say they are victims. About half of them seek > > to be civil parties, while the other half offer evidence that could be > > submitted to prosecutors. Most names have been channeled through a > > documentation center or through human rights groups. > > Ten people have been accepted so far as civil parties, she said. > > As the number grows, it is likely that they will be combined into class > > actions representing religious or ethnic groups, victims of particular > > crimes or other parties.. > > Theary Seng, 37, a Cambodian-born American lawyer who lost her parents to > > the Khmer Rouge, is organizing two groups of orphans - including Sok Chear > > and Ly Monysar - to bring civil cases. > > In February, Seng became the first - and so far the only - victim to > > address the court, standing face to face with a man > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. 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