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On Aug 28, 8:31 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > lol....whatever! that was my 2 cents worth! And it felt good letting > it all out of my system! > I now live in a country with free speech! Please just bleep out the > swear words when you read it! > Then we shouldnt have a problem with it hey? lol. > > On Aug 29, 1:11 am, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Please refrain from using foul language! I beg your pardon! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: DAZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 12:49:27 AM > > Subject: RE: Khmer Rouge victims given a voice in Cambodia trials. > > > fuck all these debates! Nothing is gonna change! Fuck thais..fuck > > viets..and fuck cambodian politics...Im sick to death with hearing this > > shit all the fuckin time! > > who gives a fuck now! Im khmer and our country has alot of issues cuz > > fuckin politics are greedy! > > They dont care about the people! And fuck man...I know ive escaped the > > genocide of pol pot..but fuck sakes...how many pol pot souljahs had > > compared to those who were killed? why didnt the innocent khmais just gang > > bash those pol pot fuckers? they wouldve easily out numbered those > > fuckaz...but instead..they rather get killed! > > > I lost most of my family in that war! But the past is the past! Lets just > > live our lives! Cuz whether u like it or not! this world is guna end with a > > war that will never end between the americans and the muslim society! > > Fuck em all! khmer rouge supporters can suck on my cambodian cock! Thais > > can be ladyboys for the westerners..and viets...you guys are pathetic also! > > ur country is like ours anyways...so dont think ur better than us khmers! > > Least we have alot of history behind us! what is vietnam known for? The > > world only knows vietnam for the war u pussies had! > > we are known for the historical temples...our empire of south east asia! > > BEAT THAT FUCKHEADS! > > > GO EAT A DICK! > > > PEACE OUT YALL! > > > ________________________________ > > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:37:13 -0700 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Khmer Rouge victims given a voice in Cambodia trials. > > To: [email protected] > > > But Thailand wants our land and temples! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: kangaroo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) > > -www.cambodia.org<[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 12:27:26 AM > > Subject: Re: Khmer Rouge victims given a voice in Cambodia trials. > > > No, Cambodians need to join Thailand because their leadership under > > great Thai monarchy will bring peace to Cambodia instead of fighting > > each other. > > The threat of theCambodian people are Vietnamese or any outside > > influences. It is the people of Cambodia themselves. They have been > > destroying their own country for a very long time. > > It was not the Vietnamese who destroyed Cambodia. > > It is the Cambodians themselves. > > > On Aug 27, 4:16 pm, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If Cambodia seeks to become China's little brother. Do we really need to > > > worry about the Siems and the Yuons? > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Mekong River <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:23:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: Khmer Rouge victims given a voice in Cambodia trials. > > > > Ly Monysar - I have been very frustrated to see the snail-pace trial > > > taking place. But I say to you now there is no time for revenge among > > > Khmer.. We must move on. It is very disturbing to read your thirst for > > > revenge. Reconiliation doesn't start with talk of revenge like this. > > > > > > It happened 30 years ago. Time is also a kind of medicine in the healing > > > process. I advocate the trial, albeit imperfect, but let's be realistic, > > > we would have no cells for the Ex-KR cadres. A few top people would be > > > enough for me. Then some form of truth finding commission should be set > > > up for serious historical study so Khmer can learn from the past. > > > > > > The survival of the Khmer nation now is at stake - much more important > > > than the trial. The siems and the yuons are threatening our survival on a > > > daily basis. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If Sok Chear had her way, she would slice the elderly man into ribbons > > > and pour salt into his wounds. She would beat him up and torture him and > > > give him electric shocks to make him talk. > > > For Ly Monysar, "Only killing them will make me feel calm. I want them to > > > suffer the way I suffered. I say this from the heart." > > > Sok Chear, an office worker, and Ly Monysar, a security guard, are two of > > > the millions of Cambodians who suffered for four years in the late 1970s > > > under the brutal Communist Khmer Rouge, who caused the deaths of 1.7 > > > million people. > > > Today, three decades later, five aging former Khmer Rouge leaders have > > > been arrested and are awaiting trial. And Sok Chear and Ly Monysar have > > > an innovative role to play in the tribunal, where the first case is > > > expected to get under way this autumn. > > > They are two of hundreds of people who have applied to the court to be > > > recognized officially as victims of the Khmer Rouge and to bring parallel > > > civil cases against them. > > > They will have the chance, not to beat and torture them but to seek > > > symbolic reparations - a monument, perhaps, or a museum or a > > > trauma center. > > > It is a controversial experiment in this unusual hybrid tribunal, which > > > is administered jointly by the United Nations and the Cambodian > > > government, cobbling together elements of both local and > > > international law. > > > "For the first time in history the internal rules of a tribunal will give > > > victims of crimes the possibility to participate as parties," said > > > Gabriela González Rivas, deputy head of the tribunal's victims unit. > > > Victims have been included in other comparable tribunals like the > > > International Court of Justice, but their role has been more limited. > > > As civil parties, the victims here will have standing comparable to those > > > of the accused, including the rights to participate in the investigation, > > > to be represented by a lawyer, to call witnesses and to question the > > > accused at trial, according to a court statement. > > > "Participation in these types of proceedings is a tool of empowerment," > > > Rivas said. "People can tell their story, feel that what happened to them > > > is a consideration, a recognizing that what happened to them shouldn't > > > have happened." > > > The inclusion of victims is part of the evolution and refining of the > > > mechanisms of international justice, said Diane Orentlicher, special > > > counsel of the Open Society Justice Initiative, in an interview by > > > telephone from New York. > > > "There has been a growing recognition, after 15 years of international > > > and hybrid courts like this one, not to exclude victims from the justice > > > that is being dispensed on their behalf," she said. "This is one of the > > > frontier issues in ongoing efforts to improve ways in which war crimes > > > trials are carried out." > > > The Cambodia tribunal has been criticized for compromising international > > > standards of justice with its awkward admixture of Cambodian law and its > > > vulnerability to manipulation by the country's strongman, Prime Minister > > > Hun Sen. > > > The participation of victims is drawing more criticism, partly from > > > people concerned for the rights of the accused and the preservation of > > > the presumption of innocence. > > > Victor Koppe, a defense attorney for one of the Khmer Rouge leaders, > > > called the presumption of innocence "the most fundamental issue" in a > > > case whose defendants have already found a place in history books as the > > > perpetrators of the killings. > > > "The question is whether or not everything in this tribunal is > > > institutionalized in such a way that only guilty verdicts can come," > > > he said. > > > Other critics say the court is being distracted by social agendas from > > > its core task of seeking justice for crimes against humanity. > > > "I would put this under the category of therapeutic legalism," said Peter > > > Maguire, a specialist in international justice and author of "Facing > > > Death in Cambodia." > > > "The task of an international criminal court is to convict the guilty and > > > exonerate the innocent," he said. "To ask more of it than that is asking > > > way too much of any criminal trial." > > > For many people, though, these related benefits are the main purpose of > > > the trials in a country that has never fully come to grips with its > > > tormented past. > > > The trials will offer a catharsis and a measure of healing, they say, and > > > will set a base line for an end to impunity in this still raw and > > > sometimes lawless country. > > > "This is an invention of the 1990s where people freighted the trials with > > > all this baggage," said Maguire. "How do you measure closure, how do you > > > measure truth, how do you measure reconciliation? These are not > > > empirical categories." > > > These added elements can also encumber an already tortuously slow > > > process, the critics say. > > > Almost two years of the tribunal's budgeted three-year mandate have > > > passed since it was set up in August 2006, after nearly a decade of > > > contentious negotiation between the United Nations and the > > > Cambodian government. > > > Nearly a year has passed since the first of the five defendants was > > > charged in the case.. A new budget has been submitted, and most analysts > > > are confident that more money will be found from international donors to > > > extend the life of the tribunal. But as Maguire put it, this court needs > > > to get hustling. > > > So far, Rivas said, her office is processing about 1,300 applications to > > > participate from people who say they are victims. About half of them seek > > > to be civil parties, while the other half offer evidence that could be > > > submitted to prosecutors. Most names have been channeled through a > > > documentation center or through human rights groups. > > > Ten people have been accepted so far as civil parties, she said. > > > As the number grows, it is likely that > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
