It is very obvious how Cambodians view themselves. Look at your own writing. You can't even talk about the substance. Actually, you are attacking instead. What does it tell you? Isn't it the typical Cambodian behavior? Isn't it why Cambodians have been killing each others for power in the last five decades?
On Nov 4, 8:35 am, "Bopha Angkor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is interesting to observe how the kangaroo or kampouch sorryass views the > world, its environment and how it reacts to it. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kangaroo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" > > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: Khmer Kro hom = Khmer Krom > > Thank you for realizing how Cambodians destroy their own people. > Thank you for realizing who Khmer Rouge are, Cambodians. > Thank you for showing us how you perceive Vietnam trying to destroy > Cambodia. That is your perception. No one would dispute that. > However, IT IS VERY WRONG when you blame Vietnamese for the Cambodian > illnesses. It doesn't work. The history shows very clearly. > > On Nov 2, 6:59 am, "Bopha Angkor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Khmer rouge, no matter its time or generation, are created, indoctrinate, > > maintained to power and handled by yuons vietcong and its filiations. > > Khmer > > rouge always love Khmer like yuons love Khmer that why Khmer rouge, all > > generation, always led genocide against Khmer people in any form to be > > replaced by yuons and to free more land and natural resources yuons > > vietcongs. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "kangaroo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" > > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:46 PM > > Subject: Re: Khmer Kro hom = Khmer Krom > > > Do you know that Khmer Rouge are the most Cambodian nationalist than > > any other factions? > > > They loved their own country. Their actions might be different. Yet, > > every movement in their revolution is to promote Cambodia. > > > On Oct 31, 9:29 pm, "M Preuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > My memory may fail me, but since Sdech Ta like to use French words in > > > his > > > speech, he coined the first "Khmer Rouge" first (sorry, it's not Khmer > > > Rough). Because, it's too difficult for us Khmer to say "Khmer Rouge" we > > > translated it to "Khmer Kraham". > > > > Again, this is just my recollection, as I said my memory fails me from > > > time > > > to time. > > > > Best regards, > > > > MP > > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Perom Uch > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > My god brother Ta Prum, > > > > > Let try my finding: The birth of KHMER KRA:HAM. > > > > > Cheers and losing up everyone:-)) > > > > > Here we Go, it's real no fiction... > > > > All I said in the camdisc. are my " try " to find any > > > > right way for our forum. Sometimes it is not all right > > > > because I'm still learning. I hope some of my finding > > > > would be a useful ones. > > > > > Remember that, sometimes the westerners who studied > > > > the Khmer culture like history or politics etc... they > > > > were not all linguists. Most of the time, they did the > > > > "COPY"of any specific Khmer word from book to book. > > > > They didn't do the fields study of that term or that > > > > word. It can be right because they copied the right > > > > one, but there is a weak point too . > > > > > They didn't really know the meaning or simply they > > > > were not in the linguistics major... > > > > > Remember that linguistics are not like the > > > > mathematics, > > > > there are the variations and not exactly 2+2 = 4 ? > > > > Khmer linguistics is less absorbed the scholars than > > > > other major. > > > > > There are more foreigners than the "Real Khmer(s)" to > > > > study the Khmer language ! ! ! > > > > > This is one example: KHMER KRA:HAM > > > > > The word "Khmer Kraha:m " was used to be translated > > > > into French "KHMER ROUGE" . The westerners prefered to > > > > use this term " KHMER ROUGE " than anything else. We > > > > the KHMER people called the Khmer COMMUNIST or KHMER > > > > KRA:HA:M. > > > > > The word Khmer Kraha:m has a great impact on every > > > > aspect of the everyday life of our people. > > > > > Now, try to find out when, where, and why the word > > > > "Khmer Kraha:m" come from ? > > > > > Last time I saw in the camdisc. someone said it was > > > > from Sihanouk in the radio when he gave a speech. > > > > Sure, Sihanouk used this term to mean " the leftist > > > > group". > > > > > We are the common people, we knew this word before > > > > Sihanouk used it especially among the high school > > > > students. We knew its origin and meaning differently > > > > from Sihanouk's . > > > > > When this term was born ? > > > > > The word KHMER KRA:HA:M is not a Pali, Sanskrit or a > > > > borrowing word from other country. It is a pure Khmer > > > > new word born at the end of the 50's or at the > > > > beginning of the 60's. > > > > > Where this word was born ? > > > > > Most scholars believed that it was born at Phnom Penh > > > > because Phnom Penh was the center of propaganda and it > > > > can spread out quickly among the students in the > > > > capital. It seems that this assumption is right, in > > > > reality it started from the province : KHET KAMPONG > > > > CHAM , at Lycee Preah Sihanouk. > > > > > Sure many leaders lived at Phnom Penh like Salot Sar > > > > (Pol Pot), Lycee Kampubot was one of the center at > > > > that time, the news papers Vat Phnom or "Prachea > > > > Choun " was starting to do overt attack to the > > > > monarchy and the government, but the word wasn't born > > > > there (Phnom Penh). > > > > > Why we call Khmer Kraha:m ? > > > > > In the beginning of the 60's, there were infiltrations > > > > of the foreign books regarding to communism especially > > > > in French language. > > > > > At the same time the news paper Prachea Chuon (Nong > > > > Suon, Director) started to spread out the communist > > > > ideology, the writer group started to produce some > > > > numbers of Khmer books like Kouli Kam-naen (The corvee > > > > people), Sim Bar La:n (Sim, the Chauffeur) , Mekhum > > > > Chea (Mr. Chea, the Chief district), Aoy Muoy > > > > Sen Tea Mouy Kak ( I loan you a penny, you pay me > > > > back a dime)etc.. Some parts of these books were > > > > inserted in the news paper Vat Phnom at the mid 50's. > > > > The leader of that kind of writing was Mr. Im Thok , > > > > former director of Vat Phnom news paper. > > > > > Because the secret police of Oum Manorin was so tight > > > > at the Capital city, they started from the province > > > > (Kampong Cham) to spread out all these khmer books > > > > among the high school students. All these books > > > > weren't called Saey Phao Kraha:m, but the small book > > > > with a RED COVER with Mao Tse Toung picture at the > > > > front cover, written in French language. That book was > > > > "Les Pensee de Mao". It was small and it was easy to > > > > hide .It was easy to read especially among the high > > > > schoool students who liked to improve their French > > > > language. Among us, students, we called each other > > > > Pourk Khmer Kraha:m, the one who carried that small > > > > RED BOOK, the book of the Communist ideology. Most of > > > > students who had this small book and others in khmer > > > > language are the one who were called "Pourk Kon Ses > > > > Normal". These group of students wouldl be teachers > > > > when they graduated. They lived in group in the school > > > > dorm, ate and slept there.They are intern students,and > > > > this kind way of life had provided them the > > > > opportunity to access to all kinds of books especially > > > > the RED ONE. > > > > > Tin Kim Hong was one who did the communication and the > > > > selling. The provider(s) were the teacher(s) like Koy > > > > Thoun, Kheang Choun, Tiv Ol, and later Mam Nay, the > > > > Natural Science teacher who had joined later the club. > > > > Kaing Keuk Eav, called Duch, the director of Kuk Tuol Sleng > > > > in the Pol Pot Era. Keuk Eav was from Kampong Thom like > > > > the student, Tin Kim Hong too. > > > > > This is the origin of the word KHMER KRAHA:M and the > > > > rest of the story, our camdiscers knew better than I > > > > did. > > > > > Have a great weekend everyone ! > > > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:22 PM, M Preuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> The nomenclature "Khmer Khiev" did not exist under the SRN, the term > > > >> used to designate this group is: Khmer Serey (Free Khmer). For > > > >> example, > > > >> we > > > >> never called Preap In etc... as being Khmer Khiev, we called them > > > >> Khmer > > > >> Serey. > > > > >> You may want to confirm with Sdech Ta on that. I think he uses "Khmer > > > >> Bleu" (Blue Khmer) only after 1970, to designate anybody that led to > > > >> his > > > >> demise from power (i.e. Lon Nol group) - or maybe even more recently. > > > > >> Similarly, Sdech Ta was known as "Le Prince Rose" (the pink prince) > > > >> because of his leaning tendency towards communist while still being a > > > >> playboy. > > > > >> In any case, some of the current princes and princesses should be > > > >> called > > > >> "The Black Princes and Princesses" (Sdach Chet(?) Khmao) because of > > > >> their > > > >> misuse of power and the sale of their souls that led to their demise > > > >> from > > > >> power by Khmeng Khveal Ko (eg, Ranariddh). > > > > >> Just my personal opinion, > > > > >> MP > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Chetrasena > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > >>> The word Khmer Krohom was surely coming from former monarch Norodom > > > >>> Sihanouk during the SRN. Positioning himself as Neutral and non- > > > >>> alliance according to Bandung pact, he (former King) labeled two > > > >>> opposite groups, one was Khmer Krohom which born out of Communist > > > >>> Vietnamese and financed by China, and other Khmer Blue or Khmer > > > >>> Khiev > > > >>> who affiliated with Thiev/Ky regime of Saigon and Sarit/Thanat > > > >>> Khoman > > > >>> of Bangkok fully financed by CIA. There is no relationship between > > > >>> Krohom (rouge) and Krom (under or below ), two separated words and > > > >>> two > > > >>> different meaning.There is no question about that from the lowest to > > > >>> the highest we (Khmer) are duped by foreigners such as Vietnamese, > > > >>> Thai, China and American, we thought they are care and loved us more > > > >>> than we loved ourself. 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