Perhaps, you are yourself. Tourism involving those ancient temples translate into millions of dollars for Thai economy. Thai volunteer to help building roads from Thailand to those temple. Thai helped created aviation connected Thai to those temples with easy access. Thai promote tourism involving those temple to connect it to their accommodation in Thailand. If you put these things together, you see the benefits.
What do you think Vietnamese is getting? Better than Thailand? Beside, Cambodia can be better if it is a part of a great kingdom called Thailand. On Jun 3, 4:46 am, Khmer Young <[email protected]> wrote: > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 The Thais are stupid because they try to steal a > stone while Vietnamese are smart to take land and resource from > Cambodia<http://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com/2009/06/thais-are-stupid-be...> > > I am younger Cambodian has never seen that culture is more important than to > have the politicians who have political will for their nation. Current > Cambodian leaders are planning to self-destruction because they are proud of > Khmer culture and rocky-temples, but they have never concerned to project > their long-sighted and strong-structured government leadership. Cambodian > leaders have neglected to strengthen the rule of laws and support a real > democratic system. On the other hand, incumbent Cambodian leaders don't know > the enemy emerging from inside, especially the Vietnamese population that > has been grown up rapidly in these decades. > > Le, > > Comparing Cambodia-Vietnam with Vietnam-China is exasperatingly diverting > the real issue here. China has short shared-border line than Cambodia with > Vietnam. Historically, China expelled Vietnamese tribe (or Kinh ethnic) to > escape Southward. In that moment, Vietnamese ancestors had successfully > expanded their land southward (like the name Vietnam or Viet and Nam itself > literally translated its meaning as Southward Marching/Expanding). This > Southward expanding finally could swallow Champa, Prey Norkor and Khmer > Krom. And all Vietnamese leaders are expecting to annex Lao and Cambodia, > the ideal Indochina once created by the French. Vietnam's ambition is not > only there. Uncle Ho planned to expand communist ideology as well as expand > his Real Estate Business throughout the South East Asia. Uncle Ho is a > special member of world communist movement, and his operational location is > in South East Asia. So I don't see that you have hate towards China. You > should pay gratitude to China that you have today. > > From this brief history, you can see China has used propaganda and > intimidation towards Vietnam rather than taking real action like Vietnam > sent hundred thousands of troops to post in Cambodia for almost 10 years. > China operated a so-called instruction war with Vietnam during Vietnam > invaded Cambodia. It was just a pre-emptive war, not a containing war. But > Vietnam's presence in Cambodia was intended to contain or plant its strong > roots inside Cambodia land. At least, Vietnam planned to contain and > maintain its status quo through two things: > > 1. Populating the Vietnamese people inside Cambodia land through > population strategy that Vietnam used to take over Champa, Prey Norkor and > Khmer Krom: planting the people, encroaching new plot to create village, > and > lay down the village administration. Cambodia has undeniably been full of > Vietnamese residents and Vietnamese imposter policemen in major areas in > Cambodia. > 2. Creating Vietnam's shadow government (or general public called puppet > government) that means the leaders are Cambodians but structures and > powerful advisers are Vietnamese. Cambodia has no empirical study focusing > on this matter, but many Cambodian elites and figures have favorite > tendency > towards Vietnam more than Cambodian people (in case of current opposition > political party has been bullied/arrested/insulted while those > elites/figures pay respect and value Vietnamese in all events). > > These two legacies of Vietnam has tremendously embedded in Cambodian society > and it is literally named "hegemony" or "domination". Hegemonic behavior > means trying to influence and pressure others through either military, > political structure, kleptocracy or other patrimonial strategic plans. In > dictionary, hegemony means the position of being the strongest and most > powerful and therefore able to control others. Vietnam has projected to play > this role in Cambodia. Like in Lao, Vietnam agreed to have border markers > installation but Vietnam knows well that Cambodia cannot control their > people who entered and lived in Cambodia efficiently. This strategy of using > people to expand territorial land is very smart and genius. > > You mentioned about maintaining culture, rituals, tradition or ancient > monuments is the good thing for Cambodia to keep its identity and nation. > Your word is not true and sometime it is very manipulative. While you are > anti ultranationalism but you advocate to see Cambodia has culture survival. > Of course, cultural politics had been used in the past and the people became > obsessive nationalism. Thus, colonialism can still control them all. For > instance, like you are living in the US, you can see Indian population, or > the Natives in Canada can preserve whatever identity they want, but what has > been happening to them nowadays? > > I am younger Cambodian has never seen that culture is more important than to > have the politicians who have political will for their nation. Current > Cambodian leaders are planning to self-destruction because they are proud of > Khmer culture and rocky-temples, but they have never concerned to project > their long-sighted and strong-structured government leadership. Cambodian > leaders have been neglected to strengthen the rule of laws and support a > real democratic system. On the other hand, incumbent Cambodian leaders don't > know the enemy emerging from inside, especially, the Vietnamese population > that has been grown up rapidly in these decades. > > America has powerful influence over Canada, but Canada government is very > strong and they has projected their country to govern by the rule of laws. > Canada welcomes immigrants from everywhere but those immigrants have to > follow the immigration laws of Canada. What other examples that you need to > know? Cambodia is not in situation like Canada. > > I do agree with you that controversy is good for now for Cambodian > government to strictly implement its rule of laws and particularly, the > immigration laws before it is too late! > > KY > ------------------------ > > Le > I think I "used to have" the same thinking like you toward China, or many > young generations in Cambodia (whatever many called brainwashed by hatred of > Viet land grab, or hegemony etc), but an open minded person would need to > take others' account too. > > "For Cambodia, if we don't have the UN and international communities, we > don't have present Cambodia.", I think you missed the other half of the > sentence, something which you did acknowledge before, that you wouldn't have > present Cambodia, or even yourself writing here and there, without the > Viet's help. Of course neither the Viet or China presence was good (I hate > communism too, as it is no good anywhere as we have seen the failure of > Soviet, North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, China etc all the poorest countries in > the world). But it is what it is, whether you like it or not. But, I am > INSULTED too that many young generations in Cambodia forgot the price the > Viet paid to help secure the country from genocide, now to attack Viet > presence IGNORING the whole history. Same situation as many Viet guys now > turn against China. During the hard time we were friends, but peace time > many conflicts arise which will never be solved like land issues. BUT, live > with it whether we like it or not (mean status quo). > > You would go too far if you try to compare any Asian style with Japan, > Germany or any Western countries. I guess you may be studying in some of > those countries, so do I living in US for long. It helps changes my view of > China and how the current world issues (look at the war in Iraq, Georgia) > may have an implication for small countries in relation with bigger, more > powerful and sometime not very benign neighbours. Of course I wish US was > still staying in Vietnam, so their institution would transform Vietnam to > country like Japan. But it wasn't the case. > > The very contentious issue you mention again and again here than there, > Vietnam dominance and hegemony, I would want to know how you "define" such a > term? of course I would imagine Vietnam-Cambodia as China-Vietnam, which one > "dominates" another. Surely you are unhappy with it, as well as many in > Cambodia. But I just want to remind you that keeping national tradition, > rituals, culture, politics from being affected have to do more with how you > deal with such influence and integration of one in another, not trying to > EXPULSE what you don't like. What I have seen is just the influence, rather > than exaggerated, "hegemony", which the later is more specific about using > military might and pressure to corner others. Viet isn't in a position to do > that. Dominance is correct. But that happens in every countries everywhere. > Vietnam is heavily under influence of China, same for Canada under US, or > Cambodia under Vietnam. There is nothing "wrong" with it, except if you are > afraid of culture loss. What can you do about it? > > By the way, the main issue to how Cambodia can make good of itself, rather > than blame here and there for their situation. Same as the Viet, I wish our > country could do like the Chinese did with a strong government. It has to > come with the people better education, economic development and awareness of > the rules of law, yet it won't happen very soon. We all have a corrupt > government, but it is changing, as it is more open nowadays than in the > past. > > My last words, most importantly, from a very open minded person, is that > sometime it is better to live with controversial issues, in order to achieve > economic development, which both improve people lives and at the same time > strengthen national images, than trying to shoot it down first then whatever > later. Politics are dirty and corrupt everywhere. So we sometime have to put > the ultranationalism view aside, as it only obstructs our steps forward. The > one who well behaves will be the one who survives and develops as in Darwin > theory. The Viet had lost the whole past century and millions of lives to > learn from its mistakes. > > -- > Cambodian Brighter Future depends on enduring conscience and tireless > strivings of Cambodian Younger > Generation!http://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
