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--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Heng Sombat <[email protected]> wrote: From: Heng Sombat <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Re : My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 2:03 AM You have NO clue of what you are taking about here. Find out first before you say anything. You sound so much like SS here. On Jan 24, 2010, at 1:10 PM, rattanakiri <[email protected]> wrote: > I assume you are buddhist scholar? so the so-called temple does not meet the > standard of yours? > It does not have the tile roofs with dragon tails like the ones in Cambodia? > > Heng Sombat wrote: >> Sophan >> >> My name is Sombat Heng resident of Irvine California. I have information of >> you when I visited Honolulu. I met you at the so called temple. You >> displayed a questionable character. I know you, but you not know me. You >> would know me because I was poor and look old. >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 23, 2010, at 7:09 AM, sophan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Everyone; >>> >>> I don't understand why there are endless arguments and privacy attacks >>> in here by our Khmer compatriots who have used their anonymous >>> nickname such as thisbugone, heng sombath, pierre hendri etc. If I was >>> not wrong, Rattanakiri is Dr. Narrankiri Tith (but please correct me). >>> My letter to the Phnom Penh Post is not about my dorm stay or personal/ >>> private life. It is about part of my opinion to fully exercise our >>> citizen rights and freedom of expression in a democratic nation. The >>> letters are also filtered and edited by the PPP before they were >>> published. Why do they choose this private life to argue here? Is it >>> called privacy attacking or knowledge improvement? I want to see any >>> possible approaches which we (Khmers) can bring productive outcomes to >>> our community and nation rather than malicious speech. >>> >>> Otherwise, if someone wants to know what is exactly operating inside >>> the dorm please click this link: >>> http://www.eastwestcenter.org/about-ewc/housing/student-housing/ >>> and don't forget to read the "Resident Conduct Code". Look at the >>> picture and the room inside this link: >>> http://www.eastwestcenter.org/about-ewc/housing/housing-facilities/ >>> There are 12 floors. The 9th and 10th floor is for male students only, >>> and the 5th and 6th floor for female only. The rests are for mix and >>> couples. When I was a monk, I stayed in the 9th floor. During that >>> time, many Cambodian-Americans living in Hawaii took turn to bring >>> food and pacchai boun (four necessities) to offer to me almost every >>> week. I am really grateful and appreciate with their Saddha >>> (dedication) and Panna (wisdom) in Buddhism. >>> >>> Overall, I am appreciate and grateful with everyone who have expressed >>> concerns about me in both personal life and academic study. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Sophan >>> >>> On Jan 23, 8:54 am, Pierre Henri de Poipet <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> It's not fine for monks to live in the dorm with females, only for normal >>>> guys like us. >>>> How can we party, listen to AC/DC, drink Bud, smoke, watch porn and eat >>>> dinner or score if monks are around ? >>>> >>>> Joe, from Poipet >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> De : thisbugone <[email protected]> >>>> À : [email protected] >>>> Envoyé le : Ven 22 Janvier 2010, 16 h 57 min 45 s >>>> Objet : Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post >>>> >>>> Off campus housing is not the same as the dorm. What kind of pills are >>>> you taking while writing the email below? If one chose to be a monk one >>>> must follows by its religion. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM, rattanakiri <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I went to college once. I know these co-ed international student dorms are >>>> like an apartment building. Everyone has his or her own room. This is far >>>> from what you have implied. Even if he decided to live off campus, it is >>>> the same setting. Each apartment complex is going to females and males >>>> residence. Where do you think he should stay? Freshmen dorm? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Heng Sombat wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> Hey Rattankiri, >>>> >>>>>>>> You miss the whole picture here. Monks are subjected to be a pure >>>>>>>> person >>>>>>>> that we all respect and trust during his period of serving his monkship >>>>>>>> regardless young or old. If you claim that it is fine for a monk to >>>>>>>> live in >>>>>>>> the same dorm with female(s), I must say that you have lost track and >>>>>>>> you do >>>>>>>> not have any believes in Buddhism. Or you are pretending to be >>>>>>>> Buddhism. Or >>>>>>>> you are an idiot just like what "thisbugone" said. Please check with >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> parents about Buddhism before you response. >>>> >>>>>>>> Sombat >>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>> Of thisbugone >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:23 AM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post >>>> >>>>>>>> Monk and women can stay together lol. You must be an idiot! >>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 16, 2010, rattanakiri <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> Some people may not realize it but speak ill of someone including >>>>>>>>> making a >>>> >>>>>> harsh and quick judgement unfairly on someone is unbecoming a buddisht. >>>>>> Remember, Buddha teaching speak rightly only. >>>> >>>>>>>>> In a poor country like Cambodia, monastery life is a way out of >>>>>>>>> poverty >>>> >>>>>> and a chance for a proper education. In fact, many celebrated Khmer >>>>>> leaders >>>>>>>> and scholars owed their career to their days in as a monk. I think >>>>>>>> not any >>>>>>>> Cambodians would be shocked if a monk rejoins his civilian life. >>>>>>>> Cambodian >>>>>>>> buddhists offer money, food to monks in order to receive good karma, >>>>>>>> blessing. Should the monks refund the money, foods back if he returns >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> civilian life. Would you expect the monk perform a return of good >>>>>>>> karma, >>>>>>>> blessing back to heaven from those people? Give me a break. >>>> >>>>>>>>> Savouth Chea wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aloha, >>>> >>>>>>>>>> As a resident of Hawaii, which Sophan Seng claims he represents, I >>>>>>>>>> wanted >>>> >>>>>> to share my observations, thoughts, and also questions about his motives. >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I didn't like what I saw of him, and I only foresee >>>>>>>> further >>>>>>>> disruption. >>>> >>>>>>>>> Sophan Seng came to Hawaii to further his education back in 2006. The >>>> >>>>>> first time he set foot in Hawaii, I introduced him to some Cambodian >>>>>>>> community members since he was a Khmer new to the island. Some knew >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> background from the past and had their opinions (good but mostly bad), >>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>> tried not to take people's word for it. As months progressed, >>>>>>>> however, I >>>>>>>> came to see that the warnings I had heard were true. First, he used >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Buddhist religion to advance himself rather than becoming a monk >>>>>>>> selflessly >>>>>>>> in dedication to Buddha. How do I know this? While attending the >>>>>>>> University of Hawaii, he lived in a co-educational dormitory. One may >>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>> this is not a big deal nowadays, but should a monk put himself in the >>>>>>>> company and living quarters of females? Is this appropriate? He >>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>> flirted with young female members of our community and made >>>>>>>> inappropriate >>>>>>>> comments - causing some of our youth and their parents to become very >>>>>>>> upset! >>>>>>>> He was affiliated with a so-called ‘temple’ in Hawaii, and performed >>>>>>>> Buddhist ceremonies. That was reasonable because he was a monk, >>>>>>>> right? But >>>>>>>> in 2009, he visited Cambodia from Hawaii, ostensibly still a monk, but >>>>>>>> came >>>>>>>> back to the United States only a couple of months later with a wife! >>>>>>>> Prior >>>>>>>> to his trip back to Cambodia, he told members of the community in >>>>>>>> Hawaii >>>>>>>> that he was going there to represent and gain support for the temple >>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>> Buddhist religion. The ‘temple committee’ gave him $400, and some >>>>>>>> individual people also gave him money, since he was a monk and/or >>>>>>>> student. >>>>>>>> Poor him, right? When he came back with a wife, people were >>>>>>>> shocked. Did >>>>>>>> he care? Apparently not. He did not attempt to explain himself nor >>>>>>>> apologize for using the monies to go back to Cambodia to get married. >>>>>>>> No, >>>>>>>> he used religion for personal gain. Sad but true. >>>> >>>>>>>>> To people that do not know him, Sophan Seng represents himself as a >>>> >>>>>> ‘community facilitator.’ To be a facilitator, ideally one has to be >>>>>>>> neutral, or at least try to maintain neutrality. Instead, he openly >>>>>>>> expresses his opinion about Cambodian politics. In fact, even as a >>>>>>>> monk, >>>>>>>> whose studies are supposed to focus on learning and internalizing >>>>>>>> Buddhist >>>>>>>> principles and the path to peace, he chose to pursue a degree in >>>>>>>> /political >>>>>>>> science/. Most if not all of the articles he has written to the >>>>>>>> Phnom Penh >>>>>>>> Post (PPP) discuss politics. At the close of each of his articles, he >>>>>>>> signed "Sophan Seng, University Hawaii at Manoa, United States," or >>>>>>>> "Cambodian Students of Aloha" (the University's student >>>>>>>> organization). This might indicate that his opinions echo those of >>>>>>>> other Khmer at the >>>>>>>> University of Hawaii. They do not. Again, he is not representing the >>>>>>>> university, Khmer in Hawaii, or the United States of America. He used >>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>> closures to make himself look good with outside parties. Not all >>>>>>>> Khmer in >>>>>>>> Hawaii (or elsewhere in the United States) agree with him. >>>> >>>>>>>>> In his previous correspondence, Sophan stated, “If you want to know me >>>> >>>>>> more, go to these links.” The links he provided, >>>>>> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html >>>>>>>> <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html> and >>>>>> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sophan/<http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Esophan/>, are >>>>>>>> links that were self-created -- using the university- related >>>>>>>> resources >>>>>>>> (originally created for the use of the student group as a whole) for >>>>>>>> personal gain, again. Was the information he put on the site >>>>>>>> approved by >>>>>>>> the majority of the students in the organization? Has anyone else >>>>>>>> affiliated with the CSAloha used this site for personal boasting? >>>>>>>> No. Not >>>>>>>> even the founders, myself or Mr. Chanthoeun To, ever considered using >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> site to toot our own horns. The purpose of CSAloha, ‘…does not >>>>>>>> represent >>>>>>>> any political or religious ideologies both on/off campus.’ Yet he >>>>>>>> used the >>>>>>>> university-based name/group to send articles about politics to PPP and >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> media. Like Mr. Heng Sombat mentioned in his email, ‘He just wanted >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> name to be read in Phnom Penh Post.’ >>>> >>>>>>>>> Most of the articles he wrote to the PPP from Hawaii attacked the >>>>>>>>> current >>>> >>>>>> Cambodian government and sided with opposition political parties. Hmmm >>>>>> . . >>>>>>>> . Sophan, when you were in Cambodia, did you write any articles to the >>>>>>>> PPP? >>>>>>>> Or did you simply enjoy yourself there and then come back to the >>>>>>>> safety of >>>>>>>> the U.S. to criticize Cambodia? Why attack the government of your own >>>>>>>> country? Do you just use your country for personal gain as well? >>>>>>>> Samdech >>>>>>>> Hun Sen has been a Prime Minister for years. He lives in Cambodia >>>>>>>> most of >>>>>>>> his life, unlike Mr. Sam Rainsy. When problems arise in the country, >>>>>>>> Samdech Hun Sen is still there. How about Mr. Sam Rainsy? He leaves >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> country when problems come up. Then, his students and his followers >>>>>>>> pay >>>>>>>> the price since they can’t leave the country like him. Now, I am not >>>>>>>> affiliated with any political party in Cambodia. I am simply noting >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> you only support a given official or bureaucrat when it suits you. >>>>>>>> Perhaps >>>>>>>> it is easier to get an American scholarship if you are attacking a >>>>>>>> socialist >>>>>>>> country leader rather than supporting him? Sophan, why try to divide >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> country instead of uniting it? Are you using your Canadian and US >>>>>>>> bases to >>>>>>>> get asylum to live abroad permanently?? >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your articles to the PPP do not help the current issues in Cambodia; >>>> >>>>>> instead, you are dividing the government and her people. Before you >>>>>> decide >>>>>>>> to sound off your opinion again, you should take a look at yourself in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> mirror again and think about whether you are helping Cambodia with your >>>>>>>> words and actions, or, by pretending to be some sort of expert from the >>>>>>>> safety of your current North American address, making things worse for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> people of our motherland. >>>> >>>>>>>>> Savouth Chea >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Honolulu, Hawaii >>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>>>>>>>> De : [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>] De la part >>>>>>>>>> de Heng Sombat >>>>>>>>>> Envoyé : samedi 9 janvier 2010 21:08 >>>>>>>>>> À : [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Objet : RE: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sophan, >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The CSALOHA website is very outdated >>>>>>>>>> (http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html >>>>>>>>>> <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html>). 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