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Joe, ~ Sent from my walkman ________________________________ De : Dara Ea <[email protected]> À : [email protected] Envoyé le : Lun 25 Janvier 2010, 17 h 52 min 20 s Objet : Re: Re : My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post What are you talking about? --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Heng Sombat <[email protected]> wrote: >From: Heng Sombat <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Re : My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 2:03 AM > > >You have NO clue of what you are taking about here. Find out first before you >say anything. You sound so much like SS here. > > > >On Jan 24, 2010, at 1:10 PM, rattanakiri <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I assume you are buddhist scholar? so the so-called temple does not meet >> the standard of yours? >> It does not have the tile roofs with dragon tails like the ones in Cambodia? >> >> Heng Sombat wrote: >>> Sophan >>> >>> My name is Sombat Heng resident of Irvine California. I have information >>> of you when I visited Honolulu. I met you at the so called temple. You >>> displayed a questionable character. I know you, but you not know me. You >>> would know me because I was poor and look old. >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jan 23, 2010, at 7:09 AM, sophan <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Everyone; >>>> >>>> I don't understand why there are endless arguments and privacy attacks >>>> in here by our Khmer compatriots who have used their anonymous >>>> nickname such as thisbugone, heng sombath, pierre hendri etc. If I was >>>> not wrong, Rattanakiri is Dr. Narrankiri Tith (but please correct me). >>>> My letter to the Phnom Penh Post is not about my dorm stay or personal/ >>>> private life. It is about part of my opinion to fully exercise our >>>> citizen rights and freedom of expression in a democratic nation. The >>>> letters are > also filtered and edited by the PPP before they were >>>> published. Why do they choose this private life to argue here? Is it >>>> called privacy attacking or knowledge improvement? I want to see any >>>> possible approaches which we (Khmers) can bring productive outcomes to >>>> our community and nation rather than malicious speech. >>>> >>>> Otherwise, if someone wants to know what is exactly operating inside >>>> the dorm please click this link: >>>> http://www.eastwestcenter.org/about-ewc/housing/student-housing/ >>>> and don't forget to read the "Resident Conduct Code". Look at the >>>> picture and the room inside this link: >>>> http://www.eastwestcenter.org/about-ewc/housing/housing-facilities/ >>>> There are 12 floors. The 9th and 10th floor is for male students only, >>>> and the 5th and 6th floor for female only. The rests are for mix and >>>> couples. When I was a monk, I stayed in the 9th floor. During that >>>> time, many Cambodian-Americans living in Hawaii took turn to bring >>>> food and pacchai boun (four necessities) to offer to me almost every >>>> week. I am really grateful and appreciate with their Saddha >>>> (dedication) and Panna (wisdom) in Buddhism. >>>> >>>> Overall, I am appreciate and grateful with everyone who have expressed >>>> concerns about me in both personal life and academic study. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Sophan >>>> >>>> On Jan 23, 8:54 am, > Pierre Henri de Poipet <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> It's not fine for monks to live in the dorm with females, only for normal >>>>> guys like us. >>>>> How can we party, listen to AC/DC, drink Bud, smoke, watch porn and eat >>>>> dinner or score if monks are around ? >>>>> >>>>> Joe, from Poipet >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> De : thisbugone <[email protected]> >>>>> À : [email protected] >>>>> Envoyé le : Ven 22 > Janvier 2010, 16 h 57 min 45 s >>>>> Objet : Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post >>>>> >>>>> Off campus housing is not the same as the dorm. What kind of pills are >>>>> you taking while writing the email below? If one chose to be a monk one >>>>> must follows by its religion. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM, rattanakiri <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I went to college once. I know these co-ed international student dorms >>>>> are like an apartment building. Everyone has his or her own room. This is >>>>> far from what you have implied. Even if he decided to live off campus, it >>>>> is the same setting.. Each apartment complex is going to females and >>>>> males residence. Where do you think he should stay? Freshmen > dorm? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Heng Sombat wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey Rattankiri, >>>>> >>>>>>>>> You miss the whole picture here. Monks are subjected to be a pure >>>>>>>>> person >>>>>>>>> that we all respect and trust during his period of serving his >>>>>>>>> monkship >>>>>>>>> regardless young or old. If you claim that it is fine for a monk to >>>>>>>>> live in >>>>>>>>> the same dorm with female(s), I must say that you have lost track and >>>>>>>>> you do >>>>>>>>> not have any believes in Buddhism. Or you are pretending to be >>>>>>>>> Buddhism. Or >>>>>>>>> you are an idiot just like what "thisbugone" said. Please check with >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> parents about Buddhism > before you response. >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sombat >>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of thisbugone >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:23 AM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Monk and women can stay together lol. You must be an idiot! >>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 16, 2010, rattanakiri <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some people may not realize it but speak ill of someone including >>>>>>>>>> making a >>>>> >>>>>>> harsh and quick judgement unfairly on someone is unbecoming a buddisht. >>>>>>> Remember, Buddha teaching speak rightly only. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In a poor country like Cambodia, monastery life is a way out of >>>>>>>>>> poverty >>>>> >>>>>>> and a chance for a proper education. In fact, many celebrated Khmer >>>>>>> leaders >>>>>>>>> and > scholars owed their career to their days in as a monk. I think not any >>>>>>>>> Cambodians would be shocked if a monk rejoins his civilian life. >>>>>>>>> Cambodian >>>>>>>>> buddhists offer money, food to monks in order to receive good karma, >>>>>>>>> blessing. Should the monks refund the money, foods back if he >>>>>>>>> returns to >>>>>>>>> civilian life. Would you expect the monk perform a return of good >>>>>>>>> karma, >>>>>>>>> blessing back to heaven from those people? Give me a break. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Savouth Chea wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Aloha, >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As a resident of Hawaii, which Sophan Seng claims he represents, I >>>>>>>>>>> wanted >>>>> > >>>>>>> to share my observations, thoughts, and also questions about his >>>>>>> motives. >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I didn't like what I saw of him, and I only foresee >>>>>>>>> further >>>>>>>>> disruption. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sophan Seng came to Hawaii to further his education back in 2006. >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>> >>>>>>> first time he set foot in Hawaii, I introduced him to some Cambodian >>>>>>>>> community members since he was a Khmer new to the island. Some knew >>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>> background from the past and had their opinions (good but mostly >>>>>>>>> bad), but I >>>>>>>>> tried not to take people's word for it. As months progressed, >>>>>>>>> however, I >>>>>>>>> came to see that the warnings I had heard were true. First, > he used the >>>>>>>>> Buddhist religion to advance himself rather than becoming a monk >>>>>>>>> selflessly >>>>>>>>> in dedication to Buddha. How do I know this? While attending the >>>>>>>>> University of Hawaii, he lived in a co-educational dormitory. One >>>>>>>>> may think >>>>>>>>> this is not a big deal nowadays, but should a monk put himself in the >>>>>>>>> company and living quarters of females? Is this appropriate? He >>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>> flirted with young female members of our community and made >>>>>>>>> inappropriate >>>>>>>>> comments - causing some of our youth and their parents to become very >>>>>>>>> upset! >>>>>>>>> He was affiliated with a so-called ‘temple’ in Hawaii, and performed >>>>>>>>> Buddhist > ceremonies. That was reasonable because he was a monk, right? But >>>>>>>>> in 2009, he visited Cambodia from Hawaii, ostensibly still a monk, >>>>>>>>> but came >>>>>>>>> back to the United States only a couple of months later with a wife! >>>>>>>>> Prior >>>>>>>>> to his trip back to Cambodia, he told members of the community in >>>>>>>>> Hawaii >>>>>>>>> that he was going there to represent and gain support for the temple >>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>> Buddhist religion. The ‘temple committee’ gave him $400, and some >>>>>>>>> individual people also gave him money, since he was a monk and/or >>>>>>>>> student. >>>>>>>>> Poor him, right? When he came back with a wife, people were >>>>>>>>> shocked. Did >>>>>>>>> he care? Apparently not. He did not > attempt to explain himself nor >>>>>>>>> apologize for using the monies to go back to Cambodia to get married. >>>>>>>>> No, >>>>>>>>> he used religion for personal gain. Sad but true. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To people that do not know him, Sophan Seng represents himself as a >>>>> >>>>>>> ‘community facilitator.’ To be a facilitator, ideally one has to be >>>>>>>>> neutral, or at least try to maintain neutrality. Instead, he openly >>>>>>>>> expresses his opinion about Cambodian politics. In fact, even as a >>>>>>>>> monk, >>>>>>>>> whose studies are supposed to focus on learning and internalizing >>>>>>>>> Buddhist >>>>>>>>> principles and the path to peace, he chose to pursue a degree in > /political >>>>>>>>> science/. Most if not all of the articles he has written to the >>>>>>>>> Phnom Penh >>>>>>>>> Post (PPP) discuss politics. At the close of each of his articles, he >>>>>>>>> signed "Sophan Seng, University Hawaii at Manoa, United States," or >>>>>>>>> "Cambodian Students of Aloha" (the University's student >>>>>>>>> organization). This might indicate that his opinions echo those of >>>>>>>>> other Khmer at the >>>>>>>>> University of Hawaii. They do not. Again, he is not representing >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> university, Khmer in Hawaii, or the United States of America. He >>>>>>>>> used these >>>>>>>>> closures to make himself look good with outside parties. Not all >>>>>>>>> Khmer in >>>>>>>>> Hawaii (or > elsewhere in the United States) agree with him. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In his previous correspondence, Sophan stated, “If you want to know >>>>>>>>>> me >>>>> >>>>>>> more, go to these links.” The links he provided, >>>>>>> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html >>>>>>>>> <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html> and >>>>>>> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sophan/<http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Esophan/>, are >>>>>>>>> links that were self-created -- using the university- related > resources >>>>>>>>> (originally created for the use of the student group as a whole) for >>>>>>>>> personal gain, again. Was the information he put on the site >>>>>>>>> approved by >>>>>>>>> the majority of the students in the organization? Has anyone else >>>>>>>>> affiliated with the CSAloha used this site for personal boasting? >>>>>>>>> No. Not >>>>>>>>> even the founders, myself or Mr. Chanthoeun To, ever considered using >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> site to toot our own horns. The purpose of CSAloha, ‘…does not >>>>>>>>> represent >>>>>>>>> any political or religious ideologies both on/off campus.’ Yet he >>>>>>>>> used the >>>>>>>>> university-based name/group to send articles about politics to PPP >>>>>>>>> and other >>>>>>>>> > media. Like Mr. Heng Sombat mentioned in his email, ‘He just wanted his >>>>>>>>> name to be read in Phnom Penh Post..’ >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Most of the articles he wrote to the PPP from Hawaii attacked the >>>>>>>>>> current >>>>> >>>>>>> Cambodian government and sided with opposition political parties. Hmmm >>>>>>> . . >>>>>>>>> . Sophan, when you were in Cambodia, did you write any articles to >>>>>>>>> the PPP? >>>>>>>>> Or did you simply enjoy yourself there and then come back to the >>>>>>>>> safety of >>>>>>>>> the U.S. to criticize Cambodia? Why attack the government of your own >>>>>>>>> country? Do you just use your country for personal gain as well? >>>>>>>>> Samdech >>>>>>>>> Hun Sen has been a Prime Minister for years. He > lives in Cambodia most of >>>>>>>>> his life, unlike Mr. Sam Rainsy. When problems arise in the country, >>>>>>>>> Samdech Hun Sen is still there. How about Mr. Sam Rainsy? He leaves >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> country when problems come up. Then, his students and his followers >>>>>>>>> pay >>>>>>>>> the price since they can’t leave the country like him. Now, I am not >>>>>>>>> affiliated with any political party in Cambodia. I am simply noting >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> you only support a given official or bureaucrat when it suits you. >>>>>>>>> Perhaps >>>>>>>>> it is easier to get an American scholarship if you are attacking a >>>>>>>>> socialist >>>>>>>>> country leader rather than supporting him? Sophan, why try to divide > the >>>>>>>>> country instead of uniting it? Are you using your Canadian and US >>>>>>>>> bases to >>>>>>>>> get asylum to live abroad permanently?? >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your articles to the PPP do not help the current issues in Cambodia; >>>>> >>>>>>> instead, you are dividing the government and her people. Before you >>>>>>> decide >>>>>>>>> to sound off your opinion again, you should take a look at yourself >>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>> mirror again and think about whether you are helping Cambodia with >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> words and actions, or, by pretending to be some sort of expert from >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> safety of your current North American address, making things worse >>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>> people of our > motherland. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Savouth Chea >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Honolulu, Hawaii >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>>>>>>>>> De : [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>] De la part >>>>>>>>>>> de Heng Sombat >>>>>>>>>>> Envoyé : samedi 9 janvier 2010 21:08 >>>>>>>>>>> À : [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Objet : RE: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sophan, >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The CSALOHA website is very outdated >>>>>>>>>>> (http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html>). 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