----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Wayde Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Cameramakers] Idea for bellows support


> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, george jiri loun wrote:
>
> > The reason why amateurs try to replace bellows is for the most not their
bad
> > function but the fact that not every amateur is able to make them well.
Once
> > learned the art of their making, there is hardly anything better.
Maybe,
> > once their material could improve, but for what purpose??  George
>
> George, in general make some good points, but you are a lousy
> brainstormer.  The idea is to explore the possibilities rather than to
> shoot them down.  Sometimes incongruous ideas can make someone think a
> slightly different way that leads to an innovation.  Is there something
> better - maybe and maybe not, but shooting down the suggestions in a
> brainstorming session is a sure way to lock yourself into a mental prison
> and kill the discussion.
>
> We all agree that bellows work well, and that they aren't really all that
> hard to build.  However, suggesting that we shouldn't think about
> different designs, ideas, materials, etc. is antithetical to the premise
> of this mailing list.  It seems to me that if we all adopted your position
> there really wouldn't be much to talk about.  Why should we bother using
> plastic for camera bodies?  After all, wood has proven to be more than
> adequate.  Coated lenses - no need for that since plain glass works pretty
> well.  Heck, why even bother building your own camera?  You can buy them
> for heavens sake, and you might also notice that probably 98% of the
> commercial cameras don't use bellows anymore either.  Perhaps I should
> just shutdown the list since there doesn't seem to be any point ...
>
> I'm not saying that we shouldn't be critical of ideas, just be careful
> about how you do it.  Is your criticism constructive or are you simply
> torpedoing what may actually be a creative process?  Right now I think you
> are dancing pretty close to the latter.
>
> - Wayde
>   ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Wayde,
have you the impression that writing this way you don't try to kill a free
exchange of ideas? I think you are dancing pretty close to an arrogant
dictator trying to tell others what they can and what they cannot think and
express. Pretty  sad for a one who teaches others to be -
constructive...George

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