Reinhold, I remember you from the Mac browser board and regret that you switched to Safari but it's a free world full of choices and you made yours.
Open source project in general are a pain in the ass especially for people like yourself that want to help the project out but do not actively participate in the project (I know how it feels and I'm glad that I now am in the position where I do actively participate where I can). You made a wonderful application that acts as a very useful tool for the people that use Camino. But I think that it's wrong to expect participation from the Camino developers in your project. They spend their spare time in their project, they should be able to choose wether they help you or not. Don't expect them to do so.
If the base of your application relies on information that you could track just as easily (believe me on this we don't know everything) as the camino developers why get angry at them? I know for a fact that they have more than enough to do for their own project. Just as you do on your projects. If you had asked me to notify you if any such changes would have occurred I would have done so. Especially since I together with Mike made the recent icon changes. But please don't rely on us for the success of your application.
One last thing, I think that you are wrong when you think that people (even the developers) don't appreciate your application. Sure the only time when you get email about your products is when things get busted or something isn't optimal. Well welcome to the club dude, cause here at the Camino team we get more hate mail than thanx mail. That's the world of software development. That's just the way consumers are. You just have to build on that 1 email a month (or less) you get to go on.
On 7-dec-03, at 19:09, Reinhold Penner wrote:
Please let me explain what the problem is from my perspective.
I have pretty much stopped using Camino ever since Apple implemented the bookmark syncing for Safari. Don't get me wrong, Camino is still my favorite browser and I would love to use it, but this particular feature is VERY important for me, so I'm sticking with Safari for now. I have posted about this on the mailing list, so it's nothing new for the regulars on the list.
I have often made suggestions on this list and have never expected the devs to do as I say. Just check my posts. I fully respect the devs in doing what they feel is best for their project, since I understand that they are providing a great application for free and invest their own free time to do so. It's exactly what I do with my own applications.
Very early on in the Chimera development I wrote ChimeraKnight and ChimerIcon as helper apps for Chimera and renamed them when Camino was adopted as the final name. Over time, there were lots of changes that affected these apps and I fixed them promptly. I have repeatedly asked the devs to notify me when the names or location of icons or the zip format of the archive or the download URL for nightlies are changed. I never ever got any response. The only feedback I ever got was that I should stop CK from downloading the change log from the mozilla site, because it would slow their server...
Since I don't use Camino any more, I now learn about important changes in Camino when my mail box gets dozens of bug reports (like the new nightly URL or the recent removal/renaming of icon files). As I see it, the devs want to have as many people as possible to test the latest nightly, but there is no appreciation for the tool that supports this goal. Is it really so hard to send me a short note, saying that the icons have been revamped/renamed/moved or that the nightlies will be at a new URL? Is it really asking too much to be included in the credits? I guess so.
-Reinhold
P.S.: Has anyone tried to put the bookmark file onto their iDisk with a symbolic link to it in Camino's default location? Would this work? If it doesn't would it be possible to make it work? You see, this is my pet peeve and if I could get my bookmarks to sync across my multiple macs, I would be back to Camino.
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