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From: "Steve Haywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [canals-list] Re: Proposed new car tax (OT)


> On 10/02/07, Roger Millin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > London we accepted the congestion charge on behalf of all of you
>> > because the situation had become intolerable in our city as it will
>> > eventually in yours.
>>
>> Hang on a minute, you accepted it on behalf of all of us????
>> You have the best public transport system in the whole of the UK,
>> where you don't need a car in the main, and you accepted what the
>> Gruppenfuhrer Livingstone dictated for all of us????? Hhmmm, does not
>> compute. You accept what you want for London, the rest of us lesser
>> mortals can decide for the impoverished remainder of the UK ;-)))
>
>
> I confess to a little stirring here, for which I hope I shall be
> forgiven, it being such an uncharacteristic part of my make up :)
>
> I'm not unsympathetic to the argument of rural communities. When I was
> a kid I lived in a village with three connections an hour, six buses
> in total, to Leicester and Loughborough.  They're down to one an hour
> in each direction now. I guess the only way kids manage to live in the
> place is by persuading mum and dad to take them places.
>
> We HAD to have CC in London because following the Easter 2000 (?)
> snarl up where traffic coming off the Euston Rd after the bank holiday
> had led to total gridlock, not just in the centre but across great
> swathes of the inner suburbs, it became clear that things were getting
> critical. Livingstone made congestion charge a main platform of his
> transport policy. He was an independent at that stage, remember.
> People voted for him, knowing what they were going to get.
>
> Yes, we got the charge - but we got a fleet of new buses too. And tube
> investment on a level we haven't seen this century which the next
> generation will benefit from
>
> I wouldn't advocate charging in towns where there's no congestion
> crisis, let alone charging as a matter of course, yet another tax. But
> where town centres are dying from congestion, London has proved that
> to a point, road charging works.
>
> BUT - and I say this to you who may be facing it soon where you live -
> there HAS to be a quid pro quo. If they're gonna charge you for taking
> your car into a town  when there's no public transport alternative,
> you have to ensure that that money is used to provide one. OK, apart
> from one or two conurbations, there's never going to be the
> concentration of population outside London to support a tube system
> with trains running every couple of minutes or so. But surely a bus
> service to a village three times an hour isn't beyond the wit of the
> politicians?
>
> Steve
>

I live in the centre of Reading, a town with a good transport system. It 
takes two busses to get me to the hospital. My local Tesco is a walk to the 
rail station,15 mins, and a bus. No, I am not dragging my shopping home so 
it would mean a taxi. Tesco is a 5 min drive away.
In fact everywhere I want to visit is two busses away. I am denied an oap 
pass because you have to guarantee to use the busses regularly. They are 
stopped electronically if they aren't used.
I can't really see how public transport outside of London can be changed 
economically to suit most of the population.
Sue nb Nackered Navvy 

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