I do remember a trip up the Llangollen in 1991. We kept on banging the pins
right in, but lost no less than 3 as the water skiers went past!

(I never saw the skiers - just assumed they were there)

Ian Cardinal

"I do not know who has placed the limits of charity in Africa "
St Augustine 

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> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Cragg
> Sent: 31 March 2008 16:20
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [canals-list] Re: Experience with new boaters
> 
>   From my position moored to rings or armco I often watch in 
> fascination as a hire boat arrives and ties up to two barely 
> tapped in pins. Then they all wander off and boat after boat 
> goes by and the boat stays moored to the pins which stay in 
> the ground!
>    
>    If I tried it I would be across the cut in 5 minutes but 
> they get away with it. I wonder if some people have a 
> guardian angel dancing on the head of their mooring pins.
>    
>   
> 
> jhar1945 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>           
> > > .........what is your attitude if you've done all that 
> and your boat 
> > > is still thrown about by a passing boat? You
> can 
> > > only moor as well as you can in the circumstances. When you've
> driven 
> > > your 2 ft spikes at the correct angle right in up to the neck,
> set 
> > > the ropes as low as possible on the spike/ground level, set a
> spring 
> > > (in my case a ratchet strap that can be tightened to take up
> slack) 
> > > and you still get thrown about and the spikes pulled out. I'm not 
> > > convinced that, under those circumstances, the moorer can be
> blamed 
> > > for poor technique unless Adrian is going to suggest that we
> cruise 
> > > on and on and on, stopping every so often to try the ground for 
> > > hardness with a spike, only to find it's still too soft before 
> > > cruising on to repeat the exercise ad infinitum.
> > > Roger
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > Of course there are exceptions some people just don't know how to
> drive 
> > a boat, just as they don't know how to moor it, but these are as
> often 
> > as not boat owners and not hirers. As Mike says most hireboaters
> are, 
> > in my experience, keen to learn if approached in a rational
> manner. In 
> > my experience many boat owners aren't. Yes I have had pins pulled
> out 
> > but, in nearly all cases, I have known that the mooring was far
> from 
> > ideal and was prepared to take the risk as it was handy for the 
> > facilities I wanted.
> > 
> > One thing many people forget, and I include myself in this, is that
> the 
> > profile of the cut makes a big difference to the performance of
> both the 
> > moored and moving boat. Moving the mooring a few yards (metres) can
> make 
> > a real difference to your comfort. 
> > 
> > Paul
> >
> And another thing many people forget is that hire boats don't 
> always come with multiple mooring pins - more often than not 
> you have to make do with two.
> John
> 
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