Thanks David and Johannes for the information - it is very useful. I am still a little perplexed about the extent of the probabilistic maps of the components of SI. I have been plotting activation foci from published studies on tactile object manipulation and recognition, and many of these foci are reported to be located in "human AIP". A fair proportion of these are actually located within the area to which deformed macaque area AIP projects in the PALS atlas, but others plot well within area 2, in the caudal bank and fundus of the postcentral sulcus, directly anterior to deformed macaque AIP. This region of area 2 probably corresponds to area 2v in the macaque, which receives vestibular, optokinetic and neck muscle proprioceptor inputs, so it is unlikely that any of these foci were actually in area 2. In their description of the cytoarchitectonic map of area 2 Grefkes et al. (2001) show area 2 occupying the rostral bank of the postcentral sulcus, not extending into the fundus or caudal bank, but in the probabilistic maps area 2 appears to occupy - in addition to the rostral bank - a large sector of the fundus and caudal bank. Is this entirely due to the fact that the location of the postcentral sulcus is variable in individual human subjects? (but if this were the case, then a probabilistic map of area AIP would presumably overlap considerably with the area 2 map).
Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:23 AM Subject: caret-users Digest, Vol 29, Issue 3 > Send caret-users mailing list submissions to > caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://pulvinar.wustl.edu/mailman/listinfo/caret-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of caret-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: caret-users Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 (Terry Sewards) > 2. Re: Re: caret-users Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 (David Van Essen) > 3. Re: Re: caret-users Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 (Morgan Hough) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:56:05 -0700 > From: "Terry Sewards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [caret-users] Re: caret-users Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 > To: <caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Donna, > > Sorry, I misspelled the acronym for the database. It is ECHDB (European Computerized Human Brain Database) rather than ECHBD. The original reference I found was in Geyer et al. (2000) "Areas 3a, 3b and 1 of human somatosensory cortex. 2. Spatial normalization to standard anatomical space" NeuroImage 11: 684-696. In that paper Geyer et al. reference an article by Roland et al. (2000) entitled "ECHDB, a database for functional-structural and functional-functional relations to neuroimaging", NeuroImage 9S: 128. The website at that time was: http://fornix.neuro.ki.se/ECHBD/Database/, but this is now defunct. I was hoping to obtain images of the population maps that Geyer et al. (1997, 1999, 2000 and 2001) made for the components of SI, which Geyer et al. (2000) stated were available through the database. > > Terry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu> > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:00 AM > Subject: caret-users Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 > > > > Send caret-users mailing list submissions to > > caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://pulvinar.wustl.edu/mailman/listinfo/caret-users > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of caret-users digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. ECHBD database (Terry Sewards) > > 2. Re: ECHBD database ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:03:17 -0700 > > From: "Terry Sewards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [caret-users] ECHBD database > > To: <caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu> > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0 - Release Date: 2/1/2006 > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 03:45:37 -0600 (CST) > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [caret-users] ECHBD database > > To: "Caret, SureFit, and SuMS software users" > > <caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu> > > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Hi Dr. Sewards, > > > > I'm not familiar with this database, but I'd like to know where the broken > > link on the web page is. I looked on our collaborators and databases > > pages, and I couldn't find ECHBD. Can you tell me where to find it? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Donna > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Is the ECHBD database still in operation? (The link on D. Van Essen's > > > webpage is dead, and I can't find another one) > > > > > > Terry SewardsNo virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0 - Release Date: 2/1/2006 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > caret-users mailing list > > > caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu > > > http://pulvinar.wustl.edu/mailman/listinfo/caret-users > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > caret-users mailing list > > caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu > > http://pulvinar.wustl.edu/mailman/listinfo/caret-users > > > > > > End of caret-users Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 > > ****************************************** > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://brainvis.wustl.edu/pipermail/caret-users/attachments/20060206/91561b9 0/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:57:54 -0600 > From: David Van Essen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [caret-users] Re: caret-users Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 > To: "Caret, SureFit, and SuMS software users" > <caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Terry (et al.), > > Although the ECHDB is evidently defunct, the data sets you are > interested in (plus much more) are available by alternate routes. > > The primary data sets are accessible at a website at the Zilles lab > (and also one at McGill) that is indicated lower down in this > message. In addition, we have mapped all of their published data > sets to our new PALS human atlas (Van Essen, 2005, Neuroimage; see > link below), where they can be viewed as volumes and after mapping to > the atlas surface. > > I will take the liberty of showing you how I dug it out from the PALS > atlas in SumsDB and how you can easily navigate a similar trajectory. > > Link to our SumsDB database (http://sumsdb.wustl.edu/sums/) > > Click on the Human PALS atlas image set, which will launch a WebCaret > window. In a moment, this will bring up an individual human > hemisphere surface (scene 1). > > For your purposes, you want scene 14, which includes a probabilistic > map of area 45 from Amunts et al. (2004). I have a screen capture > that illustrates this, but I will email it to you separately so that > this email doesn't get bounced because of its size. > > To get to areas 1 - 3, there are no pre-computed scenes listed, so > press the D/C button, which will bring up the Display Control window. > > From the metric column pulldown menu, select 'Brodmann_3a....'. > Your WebCaret and Display Control windows should look as in the > figure that will be emailed separately. > > Click on the '?' button next to the metric 'Brodmann_3a...' > This will bring up a comment window that includes the following links > to the Zilles et al primary data. > > http://www.fz-juelich.de/ime/ProbabilityMaps.html > http://www.bic.mni.mcgill.ca/cytoarchitectonics/ > Geyer S, Schleicher A, Schormann T, Mohlberg H, Bodegard A, Roland > PE, Zilles K: Integration of microstructural and functional aspects > of human somatosensory areas 3a, 3b, and 1 on the basis of a > computerized brain atlas. Anat Embryol (Berl). 2001 204:351-66. > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? > cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11720238 > http://springerlink.metapress.com/openurl.asp?genre=article&id=doi: > 10.1007/s004290100200 > Geyer S, Schormann T, Mohlberg H, Zilles K. Areas 3a, 3b, and 1 of > human primary somatosensory cortex. Part 2. Spatial normalization to > standard anatomical space. Neuroimage. 2000 11:684-96. > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? > cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10860796 > http://dx.doi.org/doi:10.1006/nimg.2000.0548 > > > Once you're in SumsDB and viewing atlases via WebCaret, there's lots > of other data that you might find of interest. > > PALS paper pubmed link. > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? > cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16172003 > > I hope you find this useful. > > David VE > > > On Feb 6, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Terry Sewards wrote: > > > Hi Donna, > > > > Sorry, I misspelled the acronym for the database. It is ECHDB > > (European Computerized Human Brain Database) rather than ECHBD. > > The original reference I found was in Geyer et al. (2000) "Areas > > 3a, 3b and 1 of human somatosensory cortex. 2. Spatial > > normalization to standard anatomical space" NeuroImage 11: > > 684-696. In that paper Geyer et al. reference an article by Roland > > et al. (2000) entitled "ECHDB, a database for functional-structural > > and functional-functional relations to neuroimaging", NeuroImage > > 9S: 128. The website at that time was: http://fornix.neuro.ki.se/ > > ECHBD/Database/, but this is now defunct. I was hoping to obtain > > images of the population maps that Geyer et al. (1997, 1999, 2000 > > and 2001) made for the components of SI, which Geyer et al. (2000) > > stated were available through the database. > > > > Terry > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://brainvis.wustl.edu/pipermail/caret-users/attachments/20060206/517866c a/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:21:32 +0000 > From: Morgan Hough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [caret-users] Re: caret-users Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 > To: "Caret, SureFit, and SuMS software users" > <caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Terry, > > I think that project lives on as Neurogenerator: > http://www.neurogenerator.org/ > > I believe they use a single subject brain from Dusseldorf for spatial > normalization. I would certainly be interested in the raw data to that > subject as well but I don't believe it is available for download. I > would be happy to hear otherwise. Recent releases from Dusseldorf use > the ICBM single subject brain (Colin) for registration. > > Cheers, > > -Morgan > > On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 15:56 -0700, Terry Sewards wrote: > > Hi Donna, > > > > Sorry, I misspelled the acronym for the database. It is ECHDB > > (European Computerized Human Brain Database) rather than ECHBD. The > > original reference I found was in Geyer et al. (2000) "Areas 3a, 3b > > and 1 of human somatosensory cortex. 2. Spatial normalization to > > standard anatomical space" NeuroImage 11: 684-696. In that paper > > Geyer et al. reference an article by Roland et al. (2000) entitled > > "ECHDB, a database for functional-structural and functional-functional > > relations to neuroimaging", NeuroImage 9S: 128. The website at that > > time was: http://fornix.neuro.ki.se/ECHBD/Database/, but this is now > > defunct. I was hoping to obtain images of the population maps that > > Geyer et al. (1997, 1999, 2000 and 2001) made for the components of > > SI, which Geyer et al. (2000) stated were available through the > > database. > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu> > > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:00 AM > > Subject: caret-users Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 > > > > > > > Send caret-users mailing list submissions to > > > caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > http://pulvinar.wustl.edu/mailman/listinfo/caret-users > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of caret-users digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. ECHBD database (Terry Sewards) > > > 2. Re: ECHBD database ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:03:17 -0700 > > > From: "Terry Sewards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: [caret-users] ECHBD database > > > To: <caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu> > > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next > > part -------------- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0 - Release Date: 2/1/2006 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 03:45:37 -0600 (CST) > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [caret-users] ECHBD database > > > To: "Caret, SureFit, and SuMS software users" > > > <caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu> > > > Message-ID: > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Hi Dr. Sewards, > > > > > > I'm not familiar with this database, but I'd like to know where the > > broken > > > link on the web page is. I looked on our collaborators and > > databases > > > pages, and I couldn't find ECHBD. Can you tell me where to find it? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Is the ECHBD database still in operation? (The link on D. Van > > Essen's > > > > webpage is dead, and I can't find another one) > > > > > > > > Terry SewardsNo virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0 - Release Date: > > 2/1/2006 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > caret-users mailing list > > > > caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu > > > > http://pulvinar.wustl.edu/mailman/listinfo/caret-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > caret-users mailing list > > > caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu > > > http://pulvinar.wustl.edu/mailman/listinfo/caret-users > > > > > > > > > End of caret-users Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 > > > ****************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > caret-users mailing list > > caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu > > http://pulvinar.wustl.edu/mailman/listinfo/caret-users > -- > Morgan G. 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