I'm still struggling with this. The manual says I can test whether
gettext is working by running scripts/testgettext.sh and
scripts/testgettext.php. Both of those fail, so perhaps I do not have
a working gettext. However, I note that the source code for those
files says they only work under Linux; should I expect those test
programs to work in Cygwin on WinXP?
The first test fails with these messages:
/cygdrive/c/.../Temp/cc6XJfWK.o:sample.c:(.text+0x88): undefined
reference to `_libintl_bindtextdomain'
/cygdrive/c/.../Temp/cc6XJfWK.o:sample.c:(.text+0x94): undefined
reference to `_libintl_textdomain'
/cygdrive/c/.../Temp/cc6XJfWK.o:sample.c:(.text+0x9f): undefined
reference to `_libintl_gettext'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
scripts/testgettext.sh: line 68: /tmp/sample: No such file or directory
The PHP test fails with this message:
error: create /tmp/fr/LC_MESSAGES folder failed !
Does this mean that gettext is not working on my system, or are these
errors because the tests only work under Linux?
I get no error messages when I run cw3setup.php -- the last thing it
says is:
Launching po2mo script for projects: ACORN
Installation finished...
How can I tell if my problem is a broken gettext system vs. mistake(s)
I'm making in configuring the .po files?
FYI: At first, I was getting additional PHP errors indicating that
php_gettext was not installed; I un-commented the reference to that
extension in php.ini and copied php_gettext.dll to my php/ext folder,
and those messages disappeared.
Chris
Oliver Christen wrote:
well, by "translation", understand "string replacement"
practicaly, you "translate" raw strings into something more pleasant to
read for human.
so the translation system is useful even if you use only one language.
you can certainly override the template in your project and simply
directly replace the string inside but this will not work for the other
string recovered from php, ini and mapfile
regards
Oliver
Hi Oliver,
Thanks so much for your patient and clarifying response. Using what
you wrote and going through the Cartoweb documentation and the web
again, I now realize something which was not obvious to me before:
that the whole text translation scheme is a widely-used method, not
limited just to Cartoweb... Since I have never developed with these
tools or with internationalization before, I did not know about Gnu
gettext and the po/mo files; I thought it was something special to
Cartoweb. Now I can read the gettext documentation to understand much
more.
One thing is still not quite clear to me: do I need to worry about
gettext, po/mo files, and all of that if I just want to change some
pieces of text *without translation* (the example I used last night is
changing the zoomin tool hover text from "Zoom In" to "Choose this
tool and click on the map to zoom in")? I think the answer is "yes"
-- even though I am not trying to internationalize or translate or
localize the text, I think I must create po files and add my new text
as the "translation" for the "zoomin" msgid. Is that correct?
One reason I am still confused on this point is that every reference
to text and messages in the Cartoweb documentation talks about
*translation*. There are lots of places that say, more or less, "If
you need to translate this, you will need gettext... etc". I am not
translating anything, so at first I thought none of those discussions
applied to my situation, but now I think that changing the default
text is basically the same process as translating. Is this correct?
I will continue my reading and then try to make sense of your examples
and suggestions. Thanks again for starting to point me in the right
direction. And thanks to you and Bruno for pointing out that gettext
is apparently needed but not working or not available on my live web
server... I will look into that problem after I get my development
system correctly changing the text I'm working on.
Cheers,
Chris
Oliver Christen wrote:
hi
po are only human readable container for the text<->translation strings
when running the cw3setup script, the .po get compilated by gettext
into binary .mo, these files are located in
cartoweb3/locale/*langcode*/LC_MESSAGES/*projectid.projectid.projectid*.mo
these are the files actualy used by gettext to do the string
replacement in real time.
the .po contains the string you want to translate.
For convenience, cartoweb include 2 scripts one can use to generate
some basic .mo for a given project: client2pot and server2pot.
These script simply look inside all the files of your project for
every strings included into I18n::gt(...) call (in php file) or into
{t}...{/t} tag (in templates files). additionaly, the server2pot also
get all the layer's labels from either the layers.ini file or the
mapfile.
dynamicaly generated strings will not get "recovered" by those
scripts unless someone provided some fake/hidden {t}..{/t} or
I18n::gt(...), for example for the tools's labels.
client.po, server.*projectid*.po, server.po contain the raw
(untranslated) list of strings for a given project.
msgid "IdRecentering"
msgstr ""
client.en.po, server.*projectid*.en.po, server.en.po are COPIES!!! of
the raw .po but this time they ALSO contain the translated strings
for the corresponding language.
msgid "IdRecentering"
msgstr "Identifiers recentering"
to quickly add translations to your projects, you can easily copy the
existing .po files provided in cartoweb by default and modify them.
You will have some extra translated/unwanted strings but nothing that
cant be easily modified/removed if needed.
copy ALL the .po files into your project's po folder.
look at an existing demo /po folder to see whats there.
if you want "clean" po files, you need to run the client2pot and
server2pot scripts to generate the RAW po files for your project and
then COPY these files and rename them with the extra 2 letters lang
tag (.po > .en.po) and EDIT them to add the translations for all the
strings you want.
I would suggest moving/deleting all .po existing in cartoweb3/po/
BEFORE doing that, as if some .po already exist, the script will try
to merge their content with the newly extracted content, which may be
problematic.
so once you have emptied the /po folder, go to /cartoweb3/scripts/
and run the command "php client2pot.php *yourprojectid*" and "php
server2pot.php *yourprojectid*"
if you see ("zoomin", "query_by_bbox") it means the strings are NOT
translated.
check that gettext is installed and that it works correctly (see
documentation on how to test that
http://www.cartoweb.org/doc/cw3.5/xhtml/user.i18n.html#user.i18n.translations.debug)
restart Apache too.
gettext is a bit buggy and sometimes you need to restart Apache to
see the modification you did in the .po files even after you have run
the cw3setup script to generate the .mo
regards
Oliver
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Duncan, GISmatters"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Cartoweb Users" <cartoweb-users@lists.maptools.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:30 PM
Subject: [Cartoweb-users] Confused about .po files
I am *not* trying to internationalize my application -- for our user
base and local application, there's no need to support any other
language than English.
I would like, however, to change some of the text that appears (for
example, in the tips that pop up when you hover over a tool like the
zoom-in tool).
I have tried to understand the system of .po files (defaults,
project-specific, alternate languages, sources vs. generated, etc),
but have become completely confused. I have not found enough info in
the documentation or wiki to clear up my confusion.
Could someone please provide a simple, clear, concise discussion of
the following (if you don't have lots of time to answer, then please
just skip to item (c) which is my most urgent question):
(a) When, and in what order, do .po files get used? For one thing,
I'm confused about what happens when I refresh the installation
using cw3setup vs. what happens at runtime when someone is using the
site. I see that there are *generated* .po files in the htdocs/po
folder... I assume *those* are the ones that actually provide text
to the application at runtime. But even there I find "default" and
project-specific folders and files. Where do "source" files live,
and what is the chain of processing that converts and/or merges them
to create the ones I see in htdocs/po?
(b) When do language-specific files get used? If there is both a
client.po and client.en.po file, which one gets used? What is the
interaction of the "generic" vs. the "language-specific" .po files?
(c) Last, but most important to me at this time: Suppose I wanted to
change the hover-text of the "zoom in" button to say "Choose this
tool and click on the map to zoom in" (we have some very un-savvy
users!). What specific steps do I follow to make that change in the
recommended way? My project currently has *no* po folder or files...
do I copy them from <cartowebhome>/po and then modify them? Do I
need to run server2pot.php and client2pot.php to initialize them in
some way? I'm totally lost on how to proceed...
One final detail that adds to my confusion: on my development
machine (WinXP, Apache server) I get message text like "Zoom in" or
"Query by rectangle" when I hover over the tools; when I upload my
project to the live web server (Windows Server, IIS) the tips are
the message IDs instead of the text ("zoomin", "query_by_bbox"). Why
do they differ?
Thanks in advance to any of you who can help me understand this!
Cheers,
Chris
--
Chris Duncan, Ph.D.
President
GISmatters
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.gismatters.com/
1 Tuckerman Ln
Amherst, MA 01002
Tel: 413-549-2052
Fax: 508-637-2557
_______________________________________________
Cartoweb-users mailing list
Cartoweb-users@lists.maptools.org
http://lists.maptools.org/mailman/listinfo/cartoweb-users
--
Chris Duncan, Ph.D.
President
GISmatters
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.gismatters.com/
1 Tuckerman Ln
Amherst, MA 01002
Tel: 413-549-2052
Fax: 508-637-2557
--
Chris Duncan, Ph.D.
President
GISmatters
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.gismatters.com/
1 Tuckerman Ln
Amherst, MA 01002
Tel: 413-549-2052
Fax: 508-637-2557
_______________________________________________
Cartoweb-users mailing list
Cartoweb-users@lists.maptools.org
http://lists.maptools.org/mailman/listinfo/cartoweb-users
