On this, I'd go with Phil Agur. Right is right. Like tying a square knot
rather than a granny.
Rudy B.
George R. Wiltsie wrote:
Methinks we've stumbled upon a new topic for discussion (argument) in
the winter. . . . .
Hand crimp v. rachet crimp v. solder . . . . .
sounds like it belongs right up there with inboard v. outboard,
standard rig v. tall rig, roller furling v. hanked on . . . . . .
George Wiltsie
Newfield, NY
Yonder - 1976 C27 #2601
TR, OB, Trad, RF, hand crimped
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Phil Agur <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:21 AM
*Subject:* RE: catalina27-talk: Tool reccomendations
Ok it deserves an explanation.
If you ever see a technician apply a crimp terminal and then pull
on it to see if it will come off you know he doubts his own work.
A technician gets this way by using the wrong handheld crimp tool
and having the occasional failure show up in the ridiculous hand
pull test. The actual pull test specification for a crimp terminal
is too pull hard enough to elongate and then break the wire
without the conductor coming out of the crimp. That test takes a
pull test machine on the size wires used on a boat.
If you see a technician doing crimp terminals correctly they first
will be using a special stripper that will not nick the copper
conductors when it strips and secondly they will be using a
ratchet style crimp tool. The later is easy to spot from the
ratchet sound it makes but you’ll also note the tremendous amount
of pressure it takes to crimp the terminal hard enough for the
tool’s ratchet to release.
A properly applied crimp terminal forms a gas tight seal around
the conductor protecting the connection from oxidation or even
corrosion from salt air. The wire itself will fail before the
connection. A non-ratchet stamped steel crimper will let you think
you’ve achieved a good gas tight crimp when the crimping process
has just begun. When your hand is at an odd angle or you just a
bit tired or distracted you will produce a bad crimp and some of
these will pull off the wire by hand but many other will pass the
hand test but still allow air to enter the joint leading to an
early failure.
A ratchet crimper will force you to complete the crimp properly
regardless of fatigue or odd working angle. It’s even common to
see a technician have to revert to using two hands to complete a
crimp operation as the day wears on.
Horse whipped is a little strong but Nigel’s video on electrical
showed how to do it wrong so you’d have to redo it in a year or
two. Having gone all dark on Wing Tip in the middle of SF Bay
during our first month of ownership I was a little annoyed to find
all my dealer installed accessories were done using a bad crimp
tool. The worst part was the technician had cut some of the
Catalina factory wiring to splice into the wiring and it was one
of those connections that failed.
**Phil Agur** **/s/v/**** Wing Tip**
<http://www.catalina27.org/public_pages/profile270.htm>
Secretary, C270 LE #184
IC27/270A MMSI 366901790
www.catalina27.org <http://www.catalina27.org/> Vessel Doc# 1039809
-----Original Message-----
*From:* [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Phil Agur
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2008 4:13 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: catalina27-talk: Tool reccomendations
He’s a fine author but he’s not a professional when it comes to
electrical. Except Nigel should be horse whipped for his extremely
poor electrical workmanship. I once saw a video he did and he was
using a stamped steel crimper like you might get in the $1 bin at
an auto parts store.
**Phil Agur** **/s/v/**** Wing Tip**
<http://www.catalina27.org/public_pages/profile270.htm>
Secretary, C270 LE #184
IC27/270A MMSI 366901790
www.catalina27.org <http://www.catalina27.org/> Vessel Doc# 1039809
-----Original Message-----
*From:* [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *George R.
Wiltsie
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2008 12:16 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: catalina27-talk: Tool reccomendations
One of the most important tools that I have found to have on board
is a copy of the latest edition of Nigel Calder's _Boatowner's
Mechanical and Electrical Manual_. I think that is pretty close to
the title. It should be available through Barnes & Noble or
Amazon, and should set you back just under about $40.00. Try going
here
http://www.amazon.com/Boatowners-Mechanical-Electrical-Manual-Calder/dp/0071432388/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1227557471&sr=1-1
<http://www.amazon.com/Boatowners-Mechanical-Electrical-Manual-Calder/dp/0071432388/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1227557471&sr=1-1>
It is the tool I use the most.
George
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Agur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
To: <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: RE: catalina27-talk: Tool reccomendations
>
> My recommendation can through rather garbled in format. Hopefully
this will
> come through better. I only carry tools for specific tasks never
a tool
> chest unless I'm there specifically to work on the boat.
>
> I keep the specifics for a task otherwise I'll eventually carry
off the boat
> to save space or weight. I carry very little.
>
> 1. A Nicro press crimper for it's the compound leverage cable
cutter. (You
> need to be able to quickly cut away a fallen mast before it
wholes the hull)
>
> 2. Wooden holes plugs and a mallet (a Plug for each through hull
tied in
> place)
>
> 3. The 2 wrenches for a belt change & spare belts
>
> 4. A screw driver & spare impeller
>
> 5. An injector seal kit for my motor
>
> 6. Emergency tiller (You may need to cut the quadrant cables see
item 1)
>
> 7. A one hand operation cut away knife (I keep this on me at all
times and
> practice by using everyday.) A safety harness can drag you under
if the boat
> goes or flowing water will cause hypothermia very quickly if you
are getting
> drug through the water.
>
> 8. A Gerber multi-tool
>
> 9. A pair of 1,000,000 candle power spots. (one cordless, one
12V) This is
> prevention for a sail boat getting run over at night. Running
lights at
> great unless a fast moving boat isn't watching.
>
> 10. A hand crank LED flash light (in the cockpit so we can use
the light
> when we board to work combo locks in the dark)
>
> 11. A wash down pump, hose, and nozzle (there's no water on our
dock but we
> are in fresh water)
>
> 12. Shore power cord.
>
> 13. Spare fuel filters (but it's a tools free operation)
>
> On bigger trips
>
> 14. A mast ladder
>
> 15. A 1000 watt generator (will jump start diesel) & 6ft. self
coiling shore
> power cord. The 12V output is a joke but the 120V output into my
shore power
> charger will crank the diesel.
>
> Phil Agur s/v Wing Tip
> Secretary, C270 LE #184
> IC27/270A MMSI 366901790
> www.catalina27.org <http://www.catalina27.org> Vessel Doc# 1039809
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Atkin
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:16 AM
> To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: catalina27-talk: Tool reccomendations
>
> I have recently just purchased a 1979 Catalina 27. As I am
putting together
> my list of things to buy - was curious to hear any special tool
> reccomendations. I assume just about everything on the boat is
SAE. Aside
> from sockets, wrenches, screwdrives etc. Anything that I should
keep on
> board ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Derek A.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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