ps I think what you need for your content is a CC BY SA license
2010/12/5 donna d.r. <[email protected]> > Dear Dave > thanks so much for raising the issue and for giving the opportunity to > clarify this point > I know there are a lot of issues related to CC that are not so clear to > people, so let me try to explain something > Since you gave Joi`s example, Joi licenses all his pics under CC BY which > is the generic attribution license, which means you can do everything with > his pics at the only condition of attributing the source (which is him). If > he told you on a private conversation that you can also use his pics without > attributing to him, this is an exception to his license mark that he had > individually negotiated with you and he`s free to do it. But generally > speaking, CC licenses already state what it is allowed and what it is not: > in case of Joi`s pics, everything is allowed at the only condition of > attribution. > see here for example > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/deed.en > and then in the same page is clearly written that: > * > Waiver — Any of the above conditions can be > waived<http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/deed.en#>if you get > permission from the copyright holder. > * > > Another example: if I use CC BY NC (the non commercial one) this doesnt > mean that I am against commercial use of my work, this means that if you > want to negotiate a commercial use you should talk to me (it`s a private > agreement). But the general conditions clearly stated in the license say: no > commercial use. If you want to negotiate an exception, talk to me! > > If you want to allow people to make any possible use of your work and you > dont even ask them to attribute the original work to you, then use the > Public domain mark > http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/ > > As for share-alike- this means literally "sharing at the same conditions". > But this should be combined with something which gives the conditions!There > is no such a thing as a CC license (not combined with BY or NC or ND), > precisely because CC says "some rights reserved", so you have to state which > rights are reserved and then ask the people to share the same way. So the > minimum level for share alike is BY, which combines with SA (CC BY SA, which > exists indeed , maybe you havent noticed!) which states the following > conditions: you can do whatever you want with my work, but you have to > attribute me the original work and have to release your derivative work at > the same conditions > > If you dont put any condition, this is public domain, not a CC license! > just a public domain mark, different from a license! > > > I dont think there is gap in the licenses,and these have been now discussed > for years among lawyers and even in courts, actually there are 6 > combinations available which gives pretty much flexibility and a wide range > of choice.. but anyway I`m happy to discuss this further if you need > > thanks and best > dona > > > > 2010/12/5 David Munir Nabti (منير دافيد نبتي) <[email protected]> > >> Hi Bassel, and the CC community, >> L.L stands for "Lebanese Lira", and in both English and Arabic. On the CC >> website it has Non-Commercial images for USD, euro, and Japanese Yen, but >> not for any Arab currencies ... see: >> http://creativecommons.org/about/downloads/ >> >> I just made them for Lebanon's currency, and decided to share them with >> others (it's easy to make for other Arab countries/currencies, as well, but >> I am crunched for time these days and not sleeping much...). If CC is >> interested, it would also be cool to have these (and others) available on >> the CC site for others to use (we are trying to facilitate/support CC >> adoption in the Arab world, and around the world, right? So might be nice to >> offer those images for countries other than US/Europe/Japan). I made them >> exactly to match the standards that CC used already, so they are ready for >> CC or others to use along with those other buttons, if interested. (They >> might have to exported as a different size or format to provide the full >> range of options on the CC site, which is why I sent the photoshop files, as >> well). And heck, I'm not even asking for any attribution. >> >> As for the licenses, I would appreciate a bit of explanation or discussion >> on this issue, at least something beyond claiming that there is a gap in my >> understanding. I still think there is a gap in the CC licenses and site, >> but I'm curious to learn what other people think. An example: Joi takes >> lots of pictures, and releases most (all?) under CC licenses (I really don't >> know numbers, but I know he releases a lot under CC). He also sometimes >> (often?) doesn't insist on attribution for people to use them (I >> specifically asked him that for pictures he took of me, if I could use them >> for other things without always attributing him), and he said that was >> totally fine. >> >> That situation is coming up again, now. I don't want to insist on >> attribution for other people to use these images that I made, but I do want >> people to re-release derived images under a CC license. These are basic >> images, but hey... it might encourage some people to save time by using >> these for something and releasing CC versus making their own and not using >> CC. >> >> Is there a CC license that addresses that situation? If not, is there a >> good reason why not? Does that seem like a valuable option to offer? >> >> Why does CC offer a license for attribution (not including share-alike), >> and not for share-alike (not including attribution)? It seems to me that >> each of the elements should be totally independent of each other, since >> right now people are restricted to only certain mixes of those >> restrictions/options. >> - attribution >> - share-alike >> - commercial/non-commercial >> - derivatives/non-derivatives >> >> >> I'm happy to discuss, hear people's thoughts, feedback, etc... is there an >> argument/explanation other than a gap in my understanding? Or if there is a >> gap in my understanding (*which there very well might be*), and from one >> long-time CC activist to a community of CC activists, can someone offer some >> clarification in order to fill that gap? Any information, or citations, or >> clear explanations or examples (of support, or explaining why I might be >> incorrect in the points I outlined) would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Otherwise, and until I hear otherwise, to me it looks like there is a >> serious gap in the CC licenses, and I am happy to contribute time/ideas/etc >> to see how we can improve the CC licensing system to cover even more >> situations, and be a more compelling option for more people to use. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Munir >> >> >> >> .......................................................... >> >> >> >> >> 2010/12/5 Bassel Safadi <[email protected]> >> >> Hey David, >>> 1- I don't understand what is the L.L? what is the ل.ل? and what do you >>> mean that you recrafted CC logos? do you want to use those new logos instead >>> of CC logos? >>> 2- all CC licenses require attribution, this is not a gap in the CC site, >>> it's a gap in your understanding of the licenses >>> >>> >>> 2010/12/5 David Munir Nabti (منير دافيد نبتي) <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Hey Regional CC Folks! >>>> We (at Hibr.me in Lebanon) are working on a big site/outlet redesign >>>> effort, and as part of that we have been working on re-crafting our CC >>>> logos, efforts, etc. We are going to be launching some other cool CC >>>> tools/stuff in the near future. We'll keep you posted on that. >>>> >>>> In the meanwhile, please find attached a number of the logos/etc we >>>> designed, recrafted, etc. They are simple, but hopefully they can be >>>> helpful for others. >>>> >>>> Also, I found a gap on the CC site ... or maybe I'm missing something. >>>> Is there a CC license only for Share-Alike? I don't want to require >>>> attribution, but I would like to require people who use any of this stuff >>>> for whatever purpose to also share them CC. I'm getting increasingly >>>> annoyed and radical in my frustrations with "copyright" within civil >>>> society, academia, etc... so working on ways to push CC/sharing/etc >>>> whenever possible. >>>> >>>> For now, I fabricated a "CC-SA" license... but if anyone has another >>>> suggestion I'd be happy to re-license these another way. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> DMN >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~~~ >>>> David Munir Nabti (منير دافيد نبتي) || Skype/Twitter: dmnabti || Leb >>>> Mobile: +961-3-138-770 || US Mobile: +1-415-355-HIBR (4427) >>>> ~~~ >>>> • Youth/citizen alternative media in Lebanon (in print, online, in >>>> person): www.Hibr.me <http://www.hibr.me/> >>>> • Volunteer, and support volunteering, in Lebanon: www.avs.org.lb >>>> • Tech, open source, and entrepreneurship for sustainable development: >>>> www.therootspace.org >>>> • Daily monitoring & translation of news from the Arab World and Iran: >>>> www.Mideastwire.com <http://www.mideastwire.com/> >>>> ~~~ >>>> REMEMBER! Think before you print... 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