That seems to me like Cisco can careless about their customer support.  We are 
their customers.  We spend lots of money to get certified, so the least they 
can do is providing us with feedback.  If there are multiple ways to implement 
a solution, then how do we know which way to implement if we don't get 
feedback.  I think as long as we satify all of the requirments in the question, 
then we should be awarded for the points regardless of how we implement the 
solution.  Come on... do they expect us to read their minds?
 
JD


Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:57:39 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] First Failed Attempt at CCIE LAbCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
[email protected]
Devildoc, I do feel your frustration. I finished my last attempt in a little 
over 5 hours and spent the next 3 hours verifying my work. I walked out of the 
exam feeling like I nailed it. However, based on my score report, it reflected 
a score of about 74-76 points. There were 3 sections where the score came out 
and I was left scratching my head thinking "how can this be?" - Talk about 
deflating. I had plenty of time to verify everthing and I felt very good about 
my chances. And to this day I still have no idea how I could have missed points 
on those sections.
 
To me, there are 2 things we can do:
1. study harder
2. after each failed attempt, continue to stress to cisco (via the critique in 
your score report) that a re-score option needs to be established for the exam. 
 
If I'm spending $2,000 (exam + travel) for each attempt, the least they can do 
is reassure us that they are doing everything possible to ensure that there are 
no errors in the grading.
 
BTW, a proctor told me that voice is the most challenging to grade since there 
is more than one way to achieve the desired results 
On 4/5/08, Jonathan Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
I ran into the same problem with the R&S lab... there might be 3 or 4ways to do 
something, but only one of them gets you points... not sureif this is the same 
thing on the CCIE Voice lab... but I would bet itis.No idea on how they grade 
the test.But I think a lot has to do with how you use the proctor... so, 
ifthere are 2 ways to do something, that means to go to the proctor andsay, 
'hey, I have way A and way B... which one is preferred?'Now, I would bet that 
one of those ways doesn't meet therequirements... which is why this test is as 
difficult as it is...because you are going to have to know why 'way B' doesn't 
work...which means a deep understanding of not just how to configuresomething, 
but in the way it works at a protocol level.For example... let's say I wanted 
you to set up CAC for a specificlocation. Now, no big, right, just set up 
locations-based CAC... oruse the GK... both work... both will provide CAC... 
but let's say Iadded to that, 'make sure that you can adjust bandwidth on the 
fly...'now, we know locations-based CAC can't do that, we are looking forBRQs 
and we have to use a GK and enable BRQs in CCM.The example is probably a bad 
one, but it is the only one I can think of.I do have a question tho... I have 
heard from people that the CCMs areslow and nearly unresponsive... so, it can 
take 2 or 3 minutes for apage to load. Is this true? Whee did you take it?Also, 
Mark Snow has an example script on the DVDs, that looks like itwould take a few 
hrs to configure on the lab... even if you knewscripting... the requirements 
seem straightforward, but then he addsextra steps to the script... that seem to 
be from IPCC Scripting BestPractices... and all for probably only 4 points on 
the test... itseems like it would be almost impossible to get any points from 
thatscenario...JonathanOn Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Devildoc <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> wrote:>>  Hello All,>>  I just had my first attempt at the Voice 
CCIE lab last week, and of course,> i failed.  I knew right away after the lab 
that i failed.  The reason why I> failed was not due to the lack of or 
inadequate amount of knowledge that I> possessed but rather the lack of time. I 
was so nervous and stressed out> that I tumbled clumsily throughout the day.>>  
In my opinion, the lab was not tricky or even difficult.  I actually think> 
that i over-studied for the lab.  The Proctor Workbook and the Bootcamp well> 
prepared me for the lab, so there was no problem with the knowledge there.> 
Having said that, i was dumbfounded when i got my scores result.>>  And here 
are my questions.  Does anyone know how Cisco grade these labs?> Is Cisco 
looking for a specific way to implement a solution or any method to> implement 
a solution would work as long as it satifies all of the> requirements asked of 
you in the questions?>>  The reason why i am asking these questions is because 
even though i did not> complete the lab, I did complete some sections.  I 
tested those completed> sections and verified that all requirements were met, 
and still i received> 0% for those completed sections.  Shouldn't I have 
received some points for> those sections?  I know that each question is worth 
ALL or NO point for the> correct answer.  However, there are many questions in 
a section, and if I> completed a section with all requirements met, then i 
would think that at> least i would get 1 or 2 questions right if not all.  But 
i see no point> awarded at all for the completed sections, so that means that i 
must not> have gotten all questions in the section right to get 0%.  But how 
can that> be since I tested it and verified that all requirements were met and 
that> the solutions that i implemented were working.  This only means that my> 
implemented methods were not what Cisco was looking for.>>  Does anyone have 
the similar experience or is it just me?>>  JD>>>> 
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