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Hopefully SSRL will not get into too much trouble as all dewars are now shipped back full as hazardous - see http://smb.slac.stanford.edu/public/forms/shipping/DewarFromSSRL.html for details. Seriously though ground shipments went ground, we tracked it all the way and got very worried on one of the long legs of the trip when the tracking said in transit for a few days. For air, as I understand it, IATA rules allow you to ship a dry shipper dry as non-restricted materials as everyone does. You can ship it wet (after training and paperwork) as long as it is declared a hazardous material then the IATA exemption is no longer valid, i.e. the shipment is no longer classed as un-restricted and should be appropriately labeled with signs saying non-flammable gas and cryogenic liquid. FedEx will not collect a hazardous shipment, it has to be dropped off at the office (unless other arrangements are made). In all cases, FedEx have been very helpful and don't mind you calling to check - 1-800-463-3339 option 81. Anyway, I'm not a lawyer or shipping expert and don't even play one on TV. If anyone out there has a friendly person in their shipping office who could clarify this I'd certainly find it very useful. Thanks, Eddie Edward Snell Ph.D. Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, SUNY Buffalo, Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute 700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102 Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telepathy: 42.2 GHz Heisenberg was probably here! -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Bosch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 4:30 PM To: Edward Snell Cc: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ccp4bb]: Dewars opened by customs ? Edward Snell wrote: >Liquid nitrogen can also be shipped by air in a dry shipper. SSRL >routinely ships dry shipper back wet. To do this through FedEx requires >a longer training course, 3 days for $650, with details at: >http://www.fedex.com/us/services/options/express/dangerousgoods/seminars >.htm >(and more paperwork). Basically FedEx need a trained name who has >verified the material (Nitrogen, refrigerated liquid, Nonflamable, >UN1977, HazMat class 2.2, ERG no 120). > > > There's just one problem with that - at least that's what the UW Safety Training says(I'm CCing him, just in case he can add some more details to this topic) according to IATA dry shippers are called dry shippers - guess why - correctly, because they are supposed to be shipped dry, hence shipping them wet is violating IATA rules which can and will cause troubles if a plane crashes (for ground shipment it's not a problem). But even if you indicate ground shipment, you don't know what Fedex will do, they usually have some planes in between or do you honestly think they would send dry shipper from New York to Stanford on road ? >If the ground shipment with liquid is sufficiently better than the >equivalent dry shipper by air we will have someone take this course. A >quick and dirty comparison of ground versus air for dry-shippers showed >little difference in icing but a lot of difference in worrying where the >truck was for a few days. > > > > We so far had no negative experience with any of our shipments with Fedex cassettes & canes during our SGPP time. Although one dewar broke, maybe because of mistreatment, but we don't know. -- Jürgen Bosch Howard Hughes Medical Institute and University of Washington Dept. of Biochemistry, K-418 1705 NE Pacific Street Seattle, WA 98195 Box 357742 Phone: +1-206-616-4542 FAX: +1-206-685-7002
