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i am reposting the message below. indeed, the ccp4bb software did not allow a modestly sized gif to be attached, so to see the image instead aim your browser at: http://xray.bmc.uu.se/gerard/embo2001/modval/owab_vs_bwilson.gif

mazzel tov and happy hanukka everybody !

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:32:42 +0100 (CET)
From: Gerard DVD Kleywegt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Paul Emsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: CCP4BB <[email protected]>, Gerard Kleywegt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb]: high B-factors

A handful of misplaced waters with extremely high B-factors can shift the average by several squared Angstroems. It is probably better to compare the median temperature factor of the model with the value from the Wilson plot.

really ? assuming that a "handful" is 10 and "extremely high" is 100 A2, then if you add $(handful) waters with a B of $(extremely high) and the average B of your other 2000 atoms is 20 A2, they will increase the overall average B by only ~0.4 A2

in EDS we leave out the waters when calculating the average B. if the ccp4bb software allows attachments of 17 kB, then the attached box plot (>20,000 EDS entries) shows that the correlation between average model B and Wilson B is very good up to ~40 A2 - after that, the model B tends to underestimate the Wilson B

(for an explanation of this type of plot, look here: http://xray.bmc.uu.se/gerard/supmat/rfree2000/tie_fi.gif )

--dvd

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