Goede dag Gerard,
interesting that you think my last e-mail was addressed to you ;-)!
Yes, this was my first moralizing posting on this board after some 16
years. A bit sense of humor is fine, but the last posting was simply too
much. We shouldn't attack people personally or discriminate against
them, even if they don't follow a general policy about how to ask questions.
Dirk.
Gerard DVD Kleywegt wrote:
gruzi dirk,
come on - lighten up a little! your reply wasn't funny or helpful either
- just moralising. (by the way - 't is a strange fact that whenever i
get any negative reactions to my own postings they stem *exclusively*
from any or all of these three countries: the us, germany and
switzerland. positive reactions, on the other hand, are typically from
(again) the us and the uk. i think there might be a phd thesis in there
for some cultural anthropologist)
to address your point - we are here to try and answer queries, not to
teach people crystallography from the ground up. that's what supervisors
are for. and my advice to students without (access to)
crystallographically trained supervisors would be to apply for a good
course (e.g., the one in cold spring harbor every autumn), to move
elsewhere or to not do crystallography (so as to avoid mono-, di-, tri-,
tetra- or pentaretractions, which tend to be a bit of a blot on anyone's
cv)
i think this is the point that the people who replied "carefully" etc.
were making, albeit more succinctly and humourously (albeit a trifle
sarcastically, perhaps). moreover, these replies came from people who
have contributed seriously to ccp4bb on numerous occasions!
look, we're all busy, and time-waster postings are annoying. such
postings, and moralisations about "good style", can eventually tee off
the experts who take the time to share their knowledge and expertise. if
joe bloggs, who never posts anything, is annoyed by one of my posts and
unsubscribes, that's his loss. if, however, people like tassos
unsubscribe it's *our* loss!
so, dear subscribers: before posting a question - ask your supervisor
and/or your colleagues. if they can't help you, search the web with
google (in many cases your question will have been asked, and answered,
before). if you're still not happy, then by all means post a message to
the appropriate bulletin board
darn! look what you've made me do! now i'm moralising myself! guess i'd
better move to switzerland then ;-)
--dvd
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dirk Kostrewa wrote:
Hi Mark,
although Shivesh's question was not very specific, and he should have
clearly given some more informations about what he would like to know,
he is probably a beginner in crystallography and simply asked for help
on this board. Not everyone has always time or is always in the mood
to answer such questions. In my opinion, it's then better not to
respond at all than to give an answer like yours that is neither
helpful nor funny! We all should try to keep a good style here.
Dirk.
Mark J. van Raaij wrote:
why don't you just send all your images to the ccp4bb, then we'll
process them, solve the structure and publish it for you.
And we might put you in the acknowledgements, if you are lucky.
Mark
On 28 Feb 2007, at 16:35, Jonathan Grimes wrote:
Anastassis Perrakis wrote:
On Feb 28, 2007, at 14:37, shivesh kumar wrote:
Dear all,
I have a data set at 2.2A, of the selenomethionene labelled
protein.How should I process the data.
Carefully !
Thanx for the help.
Shivesh
Tassos
i am sure what tassos really meant was "Very Carefully !"
jon
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