It also has the same/analogous bug in space group P3 with Pointless v1.2.10 - I wasn't sure if I was missing something obvious and went back to using my default combination of REINDEX/SCALEIT for the tests and reindexing.

Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

Robert Nolte wrote:
An output file is created on hklout with or without the -copy flag. The problem is why is it picking the unity matrix (solution #2) for the reindexing operator rather than the first matrix (-h -k l) that it identifies under reindexing (which is clearly the correct answer).

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jan Abendroth
    Sent: May 6, 2009 2:45 PM
    To: Robert Nolte
    Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] pointless question

    Hi Bob,
    including a -copy flag might not be totally pointless:
    pointless -copy hklin ...

    Jan

    2009/5/6 Robert Nolte <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>

        I'm hoping someone can help me with a pointless problem.  I am
        trying to reindex
        data into an orientation that I used to solve the structure
        initially.  While
        I can get pointless to give me the reindexing needed to make the
        new data match
        the old data for the project, when I ask it to write the data to
        HKLOUT it does
        not carry out the reindexing. I was under the impression from
        the documentation
        it would write out the reindexed solution.  Am I doing something
        wrong or have
        I found a bug in my particular space group. I seem to recall
        getting this to work
        on a different project in the past.  I have also tried a number
        of different
        versions of pointless, and all give me the same results. The
        output file is shown below.
         Thanks in advance for any help.
               Regards,
               Bob Nolte


        -> pointless hklin input.mtz  hklref reference.mtz hklout
        reindex.mtz >& pointless.log

        contents of pointless.log

         ###############################################################
         ### CCP4 6.1: POINTLESS             version 1.2.23 : 26/09/08##
         ###############################################################
         User: unknown  Run date: 28/ 4/2009 Run time: 13:48:05


         Please reference: Collaborative Computational Project, Number
        4. 1994.
         "The CCP4 Suite: Programs for Protein Crystallography". Acta
        Cryst. D50, 760-763.
         as well as any specific reference in the program write-up.

        OS type:      linux
        Release Date: 26th September 2008


               ******************************************************
               *                                                    *
               *                     POINTLESS                      *
               *                       1.2.23                       *
               *                                                    *
               *   Determine Laue group from unmerged intensities   *
               *     Phil Evans MRC LMB, Cambridge                  *
               * Uses cctbx routines by Ralf Grosse-Kunstleve et al.*
               *                                                    *
               ******************************************************


        ---------------------------------------------------------------

        Reading reference data set from file reference.mtz
        Maximum resolution in file reference.mtz:    1.810
        Columns for F, sigF (squared to I): F_881  SIGF_881
        Number of valid observations read:    18733
          Highest resolution:     1.81
          Unit cell:   72.66    72.66    65.98    90.00    90.00   120.00
             Space group: P 3 2 1

         Spacegroup information obtained from library file:
         Logical Name: SYMINFO   Filename:
        /apps/ccp4/ccp4-6.1.0/lib/data/syminfo.lib

        Maximum resolution in file input.mtz:    1.870
        Columns for F, sigF (squared to I): F_880  SIGF_880
        Number of valid observations read:    17028
          Highest resolution:     1.87
          Unit cell:   72.58    72.58    66.20    90.00    90.00   120.00
             Space group: P 3 2 1

        Possible alternative indexing schemes
          Operators labelled "exact" are exact by symmetry
          For inexact options, deviations are from original cell
             (root mean square deviation between base vectors)
          Maximum accepted RMS deviation between test and reference
        cells (TOLERANCE) =  2.0

                                      [h,k,l]    exact
                                    [-h,-k,l]    exact

         >>>> Normalising reference dataset

        Log(<I>) fit for intensity normalisation: B (slope)     -18.82

         >>>> Normalising test dataset

        Log(<I>) fit for intensity normalisation: B (slope)     -18.21

        Alternative indexing relative to reference file reference.mtz

        $TEXT:Result:$$ $$

           Alternative reindexing           CC     R(E^2)    Number
        Cell_deviation
                   [-h,-k,l]              0.967    0.092     17012      0.14
                    [h,k,l]               0.067    0.495     17011      0.14
        $$

        ===============================================================

        Copying merged MTZ file from input.mtz
                                 to reindex.mtz

          Reindexing operator         [h,k,l]

          Real space transformation   (x,y,z)

        Reindexed space group : P 3 2 1
          Crystal: HKL_base
          Cell:   72.58  72.58   66.2        90     90    120
          Crystal: unknown
          Cell:   72.58  72.58   66.2        90     90    120

          17080 reflections copied to output file

        $TEXT:Reference: $$ Please reference $$
        P.R.Evans, 'Scaling and assessment  of data quality' Acta Cryst.
        D62, 72-82  (2005).
        $$




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