JED's example is very illustrative and it shows that chirality may need to be added to this link definition. then sugar validation may be easier (at least ASN-NAG with only one sugar). If chirality is wrong then rotate around ND2-C1bond as a rigid group. Just like you do with rotamers. Here you have only two orientations.

Garib

On 21 Apr 2010, at 14:20, Paul Emsley wrote:

Garib Murshudov wrote:
As I see there is no chirality definition for NAG-ASN link (perhaps there should be but then people will be unhappy even more). Only reason i can see for this flattening is conflict between geometry and electron density. Your example shows that even if electron density is weak it may play a role and correct orientation of sugar may matter.


I agree, and with JED too. More tests suggest that if I put the NAG into the density the wrong way round, Coot will happily flatten the C1. So, my guess would be that if you rotated your NAG 180 degrees round a vector ~ NG--(midpoint of C3,C4) and re-refined, then things would improve.

At the moment, there is no substitute for knowledge when building carbohydrates - it would be a substantial improvement I think if someone added intelligent carbohydrate validation tools into Coot.

Paul.

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